Knowledge of rangefinders is the path to owning a Leica M9. Don't do it!
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Knowledge of rangefinders is the path to owning a Leica M9. Don't do it!
But M-Mount lens are so good!
I have a Pentax K1000 and an Asashi Super something or other 50mm 1.4 on it already.
I like the idea of looking down into the camera as i shoot, infact i prefer the shooting style i used to use on an old fuji S9600 bridge camera, you could tilt the display upwards to get a similair effect. Then hold camera at waist level and go out to a city and no one has a clue your taking pictures of them.
You can buy film on a warehouse store online.
I like the idea of looking down into the camera as i shoot, infact i prefer the shooting style i used to use on an old fuji S9600 bridge camera, you could tilt the display upwards to get a similair effect. Then hold camera at waist level and go out to a city and no one has a clue your taking pictures of them.
You can buy film on a warehouse store online.
If you want to try your hand at TLR's, have a look around for a Yashica Mat, they're very highly regarded and a lot cheaper than the (worse) alternatives. Film isn't cheap, but agreed it is a lot more fun, you can either develop it yourself to the film for scanning, or just send it off. I personally normally develop my own film and scan it (35mm mostly), but I would also scan 120, if it wasn't so expensive for a decent 120 scanner 
You seriously think that a camera that sized and that unique looking would allow you to take pictures of people without them noticing? If anything you'll stand out a sore thumb, you ll have a better chance of them not noticing using your D300 and autofocus then putting the camera away.
If you want to try your hand at TLR's, have a look around for a Yashica Mat, they're very highly regarded and a lot cheaper than the (worse) alternatives. Film isn't cheap, but agreed it is a lot more fun, you can either develop it yourself to the film for scanning, or just send it off. I personally normally develop my own film and scan it (35mm mostly), but I would also scan 120, if it wasn't so expensive for a decent 120 scanner
Thread hijack... What do you use for scanning 35mm? I've looked around but from what I have seen it's cheaper to be able to scan 120 than 35?
I use a V300 currently, good enough for 35mm. And from experience, the decent 120 scanner (not the little box scanners) aren't good enough and come at a price. IIRC though the 8800 does do 120, but iirc its the one with the problem with the distance in the glass when scanning.
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Why don't you get an Yashica A TLR - http://www.flickr.com/photos/martinturner/4789719521/
I think you'd have to be an idiot to get a Rolliflex until you learnt a bit more. Not that a Rolli is more advanced than a Yashica; but the Yashica can be had for under £50 whereas a Rolli cannot. Buy a Yashica, try it out, if you like it then get a Rolli ... simple. Film and scanning will be your only cost, 120 film costs a couple of quid a film, get it developed for a couple of quid and buy a film scanner or pay to have scanned.
The one thing that will throw you off and probably put you off is composing a shot on a TLR; you have no idea how tricky it is!!!! Left = right, Up=down; you move left and you are actually moving right, the same with up and down. It takes a few minutes to compose a shot if you don't use it that often. I would advise using 400 speed film for it (or a Rolli) - you naturally over expose.
I thought you were going to lay low for a bit with the 'I want to buy' threads?
I think you'd have to be an idiot to get a Rolliflex until you learnt a bit more. Not that a Rolli is more advanced than a Yashica; but the Yashica can be had for under £50 whereas a Rolli cannot. Buy a Yashica, try it out, if you like it then get a Rolli ... simple. Film and scanning will be your only cost, 120 film costs a couple of quid a film, get it developed for a couple of quid and buy a film scanner or pay to have scanned.
The one thing that will throw you off and probably put you off is composing a shot on a TLR; you have no idea how tricky it is!!!! Left = right, Up=down; you move left and you are actually moving right, the same with up and down. It takes a few minutes to compose a shot if you don't use it that often. I would advise using 400 speed film for it (or a Rolli) - you naturally over expose.
I thought you were going to lay low for a bit with the 'I want to buy' threads?
This has nothing to do with kit for my nikon, i know what im doing there kit wise, selling my zoom lenses and buying a 85 1.4 and some speedlights.
This is a different avenue and something I might aswell buy with time. I will buy the Yashica so yet again, thanks for the advice
Taken any shots with it ?
This is a different avenue and something I might aswell buy with time. I will buy the Yashica so yet again, thanks for the advice
Taken any shots with it ?
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This has nothing to do with kit for my nikon, i know what im doing there kit wise, selling my zoom lenses and buying a 85 1.4 and some speedlights.
This is a different avenue and something I might aswell buy with time. I will buy the Yashica so yet again, thanks for the advice
Taken any shots with it ?
If you want to buy it to learn shutter speed,aperture and iso...that's not the way to do it. It is a VERY expensive way to do it. Especially on 120!
If you are buying it because you want something pretty, go ahead, cant argue with that.
If you want to buy it for the film look, go ahead.
If you are buying it thinking it makes you a better photographer.....don't, it doesn't.
The loading the film in the camera is easy, the "leader" has holes on the side where you match it and close the camera...the hard thing is if you are developing it yourself, that's when it gets tricky and fun.
Imagine in a room with no light in, opening the can, putting the raw film in a plastic tank all by feel. Eventually you get good at it but the first time is surreal.
As to knowing what film to use, read, read lots.
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Well, i was going to say it's his money, let him do what he wants.
We need to get out of this recession after all
If i like it I might even go as far as to ditch all my digital stuff.
Theres a 3 year uni course i really want to do but cant due to lack of monies and cant get student funding anymore, and 80% of the fotography is film based.
http://www.fashion.arts.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/ba_fashion_photography.htm
Theres a 3 year uni course i really want to do but cant due to lack of monies and cant get student funding anymore, and 80% of the fotography is film based.
http://www.fashion.arts.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/ba_fashion_photography.htm
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Then get a old(er) Nikon film SLR and use your current lenses?
My guess is that you will get frustrated from it. If you think it's hard to learn with digital now, imagine this.
Set up a shot - Snap.
Write down settings used in a chat
Repeat a dozen times.
Send film away to get it develop. Wait for it to come back
Or
Develop it yourself.
Then
Printing in dark room. Dodge, burn, expose.
Then you see where you gone wrong. Look at the chart you made, see the settings. Go back to the dark room to re-print it to see if you can save it by more dodging or burning under the enlarger.
Realise its good, or bad.
Then you just spent money on:
The film
The chemicals
The printing paper
or sent it off to get it develop
When you are done, next week do the same again.
You will also need to start buying a lightbox, folders to store your negatives and prints.
The whole thing cost money to run, and space to store.
The whole thing can take anything from a day to a week depending how you develop and print.
Compare to.......
Snap - look at LCD screen. (at most, look at it on the computer the moment you get home)
Of course, there is a beauty to it, there is a romance in it. Some people like the tactile feel of film, the process of developing, it is almost like enjoying cooking as much as eating. I've done it, it is kinda relaxing in a way....but also very tense.
Imagine you know you nailed a shot in camera, then you found yourself mixed the chemicals wrong and over or under developed the film? It is now basically ruined. You can't go back and save it, the film is DONE.
My guess is that you will get frustrated from it. If you think it's hard to learn with digital now, imagine this.
Set up a shot - Snap.
Write down settings used in a chat
Repeat a dozen times.
Send film away to get it develop. Wait for it to come back
Or
Develop it yourself.
Then
Printing in dark room. Dodge, burn, expose.
Then you see where you gone wrong. Look at the chart you made, see the settings. Go back to the dark room to re-print it to see if you can save it by more dodging or burning under the enlarger.
Realise its good, or bad.
Then you just spent money on:
The film
The chemicals
The printing paper
or sent it off to get it develop
When you are done, next week do the same again.
You will also need to start buying a lightbox, folders to store your negatives and prints.
The whole thing cost money to run, and space to store.
The whole thing can take anything from a day to a week depending how you develop and print.
Compare to.......
Snap - look at LCD screen. (at most, look at it on the computer the moment you get home)
Of course, there is a beauty to it, there is a romance in it. Some people like the tactile feel of film, the process of developing, it is almost like enjoying cooking as much as eating. I've done it, it is kinda relaxing in a way....but also very tense.
Imagine you know you nailed a shot in camera, then you found yourself mixed the chemicals wrong and over or under developed the film? It is now basically ruined. You can't go back and save it, the film is DONE.
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