(RSJ's) Does this seem a bit pricey?

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Hi

We are having a fireplace in the middle(!) of our kitchen knocked out.

We are in a ground floor maisonette, so have the neighbours above us with a fireplace too (not used I hasten to add) all in situ. Hence there would be quite a load bourne by the new steels.

We have had the SE come in, do the measurements, etc. and we have drawings back. We are also almost there with the Party Wall Agreement.

The only issue I have is that the builder I am planning on using (Who is my GF's friend's husband, so is hopefully being honest!) is quoting what I think is rather a lot for steels, padstones, etc. Bear in mind I am in London, so I know that always makes things more expensive.

He is quoting £3,500 + VAT for the steels and padstones (Then £2,200 + VAT for labour, skipping the rubble, equipment, basically everything else needed to get the job done - He seems to think its a 3 person, 3 day job. Also bear in mind we do not have a side return from our garden or any access out of our kitchen to the skip they would use, other than via the front door, and the kitchen is at the back of the property. The £2,200 bit I guess I understand (3 people 3 days, it's about £30 per man per hour). From my research, I reckon the materials can be obtained for no more than £1,500 with VAT. Add on a little more for equipment hire, and I think materials should be under £2000 inc. Or am I dreaming?

I have attached an image from the SE drawing:

Cheers for any advice!

 
The main steels are only part of the expense, they will usually have a lot of secondary steels for temporary needling to support walls whilst the work is getting done, and they'll have a lot of props in place (or should) which will either need bearers on the floor or go all the way to the subfloor... Difficult one if its a friend but just ask if you think there's extra, they should explain what everything is for
 
Hi

We are having a fireplace in the middle(!) of our kitchen knocked out.

We are in a ground floor maisonette, so have the neighbours above us with a fireplace too (not used I hasten to add) all in situ. Hence there would be quite a load bourne by the new steels.

We have had the SE come in, do the measurements, etc. and we have drawings back. We are also almost there with the Party Wall Agreement.

The only issue I have is that the builder I am planning on using (Who is my GF's friend's husband, so is hopefully being honest!) is quoting what I think is rather a lot for steels, padstones, etc. Bear in mind I am in London, so I know that always makes things more expensive.

He is quoting £3,500 + VAT for the steels and padstones (Then £2,200 + VAT for labour, skipping the rubble, equipment, basically everything else needed to get the job done - He seems to think its a 3 person, 3 day job. Also bear in mind we do not have a side return from our garden or any access out of our kitchen to the skip they would use, other than via the front door, and the kitchen is at the back of the property. The £2,200 bit I guess I understand (3 people 3 days, it's about £30 per man per hour). From my research, I reckon the materials can be obtained for no more than £1,500 with VAT. Add on a little more for equipment hire, and I think materials should be under £2000 inc. Or am I dreaming?

I have attached an image from the SE drawing:

Cheers for any advice!

Hi Bes

What size RSJ has he quoted on ? and how big are the padstones and how many are there ?? is the job located in a difficult area to parK? Skip kept on road ? Does he have a lot of work on ? All factors that can put prices up.

Also theres a major shortage of skilled builders in the UK.. Plumbers earn more than surgeons


xl....out
 
Hi

The RSJ sizes should be in the attachment there - I am no expert, but googling the numbers there brings up some RSJs for me :)

Yes the skip will need to be on the road and the area is not difficult to park in, but I will be providing permits.

Cheers
 
There's two 203x203x52 beams then 5no 100x100 angle used as bracing, they'll have an end plate on them too for fixings then 100mm shs with a 215 plate fixed to it for the other (door?) opening... So it is a fair amount of steel just on the drawing... And some is marked as galvanized too, so a bit of additional cost there
 
Yeah the other opening is the back door.
I am guessing the steel there is to spread the weight along that wall?
Maybe the price is ok then...
 
I work in steel fabrication so can give you a bit of an idea

Steel typically costs £600-£650 per tonne at the moment.

Roughly on the drawing you have 10m of 203uc @ 52kg/m giving you 520kg. Plus the angles call it 600kg all in.

Typically we charge around £1200 per tonne fabricated, so would price it at around £700-£750.

Hopefully that helps out
 
Fabrication price isn't market price, otherwise there is no profit for the reseller...

Problem here is you really. You have no idea about the job or what it incurs, yet somehow think you know how much it should cost? As a rule of thumb, most trade are not out to rip you off.
 
I hardly think that's a fair comment. Going into a job without understanding what I am paying (a lot of) money for is just stupid at the end of the day.... especially as I DO know the main RSJs themselves are not that expensive (yes of course I know there is more to it than that) - I think it's only right to come here and query if the actual figure being quoted looks realistic or is totally out. I'm hardly going round calling him a scammer or a rip off merchant!
 
whereabouts are you? that does sound high to me. get other quotes in before you agree
just cuz he is your mrs's friend it don't mean you got to go with him- if you did go ahead with him get him to explain the price in detail and ask him to give u a discount as you know his mrs!
 
Why would you not get a second quote if you feel that his price may be a little too high.

Just because it's your partners friends husband, doesn't mean you need to choose him for the work, the same as he probably won't be offering you some form of "mates rates".
 
Its normal for trades to mark up the materials they buy. Its one of the reasons they always want to supply and fit.

If you really want to see what you could get them from drop into a TP or jewsons etc, show them the plans and ask them a price to supply.
Yor arcitect may also be able to give an idea as well
 
It sounds very expensive but I'm no expert and don't know what the additional london weighting adds.

For example I've just had the following fitted in my kitchen, inc removal of the old walls etc for £2.7k all in inc skip (I did have about £600 additional work external to house)
1 off : 152x89x16 UB (Approx 4m in length)
o 2 off : 203x103x25 UB (approx. 4m in length)
The 203*103 were interlocking. (The structural engineer completely overdesigned it too!!!)

Access however was very easy, single story bungalow, drive for skip and thru route for materials.


ongoing pics in the thread I made https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/bungalow-build-log.18757204/page-2#post-31144899

Id get a couple extra quotes and see who sounds like the most competent person for the job (over the price!) especially if its adjoining neighbours its not something you want to go **** up!
 
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