Good price was it the pro 16" version or just the 5i.
RTX 4070 vs 3070Ti Laptop GPUS Review.... (Not Looking Good...)
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5i pro 16" but think is I'm unsure if it's an old price or how long it has been out of stock.
I've signed up for notifications of when it does come into stock.
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it is a new price, might have been the one I sent back. when I purchased it everyone was out of stock, they were the only ones with a few left.
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Ah ok, Wonder if any more will come into stock. I'll keep the page refreshed as someone posted that there was stock not long ago on a deals page.
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I'm noticing a pattern, people seem to comparing chalk and cheese. Look at the chassis the 3070ti go into, then look at what the 4070s are able to go into. Clearly manufacturers and Nvidia have tried to get 3070ti performance is much thinner or in the lower spec chassis. Once prices settle this will allow the lower end price range to get good performance going forward. These GPUs run so cool, and scale much better at lower voltages, at some point the EU/governments are going to come for gaming laptops and hit them with power use restrictions (look at 8k tvs), i'm convinced of it. The days of more and more FPS might be over we may now be in the days maintaining the same FPS but using less power.
Is there any evidence that the 4070 Tier GPU is appearing in anything that could be considered cheap? All the ones I have seen so far have been at the best a price match for 3070Ti tier laptops. Heck the cheapest 4070 quipped laptop on OCUK is the MSI Katana for over £1600. The Katana is generally considered the more budget option in MSI's lineup... (11800H/1070 model was available for a little over £1k for quite a while).
Maybe that will change in the future but at the moment the pricing for the 4xxx series laptops is consistently higher than the preceding 3xxx series. There are some touted options where the 4070 may end up being a decent option from a performance uplift point of view (Asus Z13) but the price is eye wateringly high.
Maybe that will change in the future but at the moment the pricing for the 4xxx series laptops is consistently higher than the preceding 3xxx series. There are some touted options where the 4070 may end up being a decent option from a performance uplift point of view (Asus Z13) but the price is eye wateringly high.
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I think the Katana is the 4th tier MSI chassis, Titan>Raider>Vector/Stealth>Katana. That chassis certainly didn't have a 3070ti in it ever. I think i saw one reviewed Dave? THat looked at the last 3 or 4 generations of the MSI stealth comparing the top spec laptop for each gen, this time it was the 4070, and it's performance compared to last time top was about 30% performance boost. We have however people comparing 4070's in Katana's to specs for 3070tis in the raider chassis or whatever. I think its partly Nvidia's fault as they have ballsed up the nameing, but even still. Oh and when inflation is running at +10% might we have to redefine what is a cheap?
Katana had the 3070 in it which is arguably the correct comparison to the 4070 given the 3070Ti was part of the refreshed line up.
Inflation has nothing to do with why the 4080 equipped Legion 7 is £1000 more than what I paid for my max TGP 3080 equipped Legion 7 Pro (If I want to be nit picky about it I should be comparing to the 4090 equipped model which is £1500 more as the 3080 was the original 3xxx flagsgip until the Ti refresh). The 4xxx series are simply more expensive spec to spec than the 3xxx series laptops.
Inflation has nothing to do with why the 4080 equipped Legion 7 is £1000 more than what I paid for my max TGP 3080 equipped Legion 7 Pro (If I want to be nit picky about it I should be comparing to the 4090 equipped model which is £1500 more as the 3080 was the original 3xxx flagsgip until the Ti refresh). The 4xxx series are simply more expensive spec to spec than the 3xxx series laptops.
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My Problem is just that they aren't giving us spec for spec. I have a 1060m graphics in the current laptop and it has a 192bit bus, the 4070 laptop chip doesn't have that despite being 3 generations newer and a tier higher. Nvidia just scalping their customers something fierce. That's the problem, the naming scheme of ti and none ti is superficial when the expected parameters of each card are just waffle in the face of whatever Nvidia wants to throw out and lie about. This happened with the 4080 12gb for desktops of course, was a pure farce and money grab, they then called it a 4070ti but I'd be hard pressed to even call it a ti variant as it wasn't a refresh model nor did it seem to be close enough to warrant it.
Their naming scheme is in question because of this, people do ultimately care about what performance difference they get (making the 4070 to 3070ti comparison relevant for end users) but unlike Nvidia we actually care about the factual specifications and reasoning behind the naming as well. We don't want to buy vauxhall and be told it's a porsche or a ferrari just because the company thinks it can. I do see your point but I did feel pretty big disappointment with the 4070 card after comparing to even my old card.
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!00% agree with what you are saying. This is why i think the RTX 5000 Generation will see some normality come back with the price to performance ratio because with this 4000`s series they are relying on gimmicks like dlss 3 frame generation to sell the Gpu`s with fake performance numbers.