Rubbing noise + vibration with gentle steering at slow speed. Any ideas?

For such a premium product, and the performance it has on offer I'm extremely surprised they are so apparently fragile.
This is the sort of thing I'd have expected from a TVR of old not a relatively modern Ferrari!!

It makes me wonder what your paying for, a top tree car that if driven as intended will apparently break at obscene expense!

Hopefully it's covered by warranty.

Do you wonder if you should have kept or just bought a newer Aston?

Ferraris seem like ornaments!
 
Sounds like a failed diff to me too. You hear it on cars with diffs that lock too easily, usually when giving it too much lock at low speed.
 
Scania said:
For such a premium product, and the performance it has on offer I'm extremely surprised they are so apparently fragile.
This is the sort of thing I'd have expected from a TVR of old not a relatively modern Ferrari!!

It makes me wonder what your paying for, a top tree car that if driven as intended will apparently break at obscene expense!

Hopefully it's covered by warranty.

Do you wonder if you should have kept or just bought a newer Aston?

Ferraris seem like ornaments!
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Honestly, in general the F430 is a very reliable car. The gearbox issue was very unexpected by myself and the dealer, I'm sure they weren't happy having to fork out $35k for the new box. This differential thing has to be an install mistake so not really unreliable.

You do have to go into Ferrari ownership with your eyes open, normal maint on a 430 is around $3-4k a year including the odd repair. This is why I was careful to have an inspection and negotiate things like the engine mounts, headers and gearbox issue into the sale.

I may end up back in another Aston Martin if this doesn't go how I want it to but I'd really rather not. I love my Ferrari and I'd like to spend a couple of years with it at least before parting ways. Manual transmission 430's are rare as is, especially with the spec mine has.
 
[ui]ICEMAN;25759885 said:
Honestly, in general the F430 is a very reliable car. The gearbox issue was very unexpected by myself and the dealer, I'm sure they weren't happy having to fork out $35k for the new box. This differential thing has to be an install mistake so not really unreliable.

You do have to go into Ferrari ownership with your eyes open, normal maint on a 430 is around $3-4k a year including the odd repair. This is why I was careful to have an inspection and negotiate things like the engine mounts, headers and gearbox issue into the sale.

I may end up back in another Aston Martin if this doesn't go how I want it to but I'd really rather not. I love my Ferrari and I'd like to spend a couple of years with it at least before parting ways. Manual transmission 430's are rare as is, especially with the spec mine has.
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Dave

You'd be silly to change it when its fixed, because the things known to fail you'd have sorted, so for once enjoy the car you have purchased and learn to maximise its true potential. It will become the devil you know with time and you will love it. :)
 
Just as an update, Ferrari picked the car up on Monday and got it on the ramps today. Seems we were right, the diff is at fault and they're currently breaking down the gearbox to investigate.

What may save me here is that the diff actually came with the new gearbox so it *shouldn't* cost me a penny to put this right. Of course I won't know this for sure until next week probably.

In the mean time I'm going to borrow an R8 V10 Spider for the weekend.
 
[ui]ICEMAN;25796600 said:
Just as an update, Ferrari picked the car up on Monday and got it on the ramps today. Seems we were right, the diff is at fault and they're currently breaking down the gearbox to investigate.

What may save me here is that the diff actually came with the new gearbox so it *shouldn't* cost me a penny to put this right. Of course I won't know this for sure until next week probably.

In the mean time I'm going to borrow an R8 V10 Spider for the weekend.
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Refuse to pay a penny, they broke it, they fix it!

Not in same league but got a brand new Cayman S coming my way next month, can't wait. :D
 
Gibbo said:
Refuse to pay a penny, they broke it, they fix it!

Not in same league but got a brand new Cayman S coming my way next month, can't wait. :D
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That's the plan!

You should enjoy the Cayman S, is it going to be PDK? I do sometimes miss my wife's PDK Boxster S, was a very impressive car. If they hadn't sold all the allocations for the GT3 I'd be mighty tempted to move back to Porsche.
 
Well, with Porsche it's usually an agreed loaner car. I'd normally get given something off the lot when I took my 911 in.

With Ferrari, they don't do loaner cars, they just expect you to have a limo in tow I guess to get you back home. However, I've had this car now for almost 2 months and its been in my garage for all of 2 weeks of that. This will be a gesture of good will from the dealer :p
 
I went to see the car today and talk to the techs about it. They had the diff in pieces and were showing me that the clutches were bad. No idea how this happened, must've been a bad diff from the get go but thankfully it *was* part of the gearbox they replaced so this will be free of charge.
 
[ui]ICEMAN;25808290 said:
I went to see the car today and talk to the techs about it. They had the diff in pieces and were showing me that the clutches were bad. No idea how this happened, must've been a bad diff from the get go but thankfully it *was* part of the gearbox they replaced so this will be free of charge.
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So the 46k replacement gearbox had worn/broke clutches within the diff, nice. The 430 has one of those computer controlled diffs for torque vectoring between the wheels.

Assume its one of those units where it has clutches on each half shaft to apply torque to a wheel.
 
How are you getting on with the R8 loaner?

Completely different to the 430, are you happy with your purchase or thinking you would have liked that R8 you were going to look at?
 
I saw that you had a V10+ this weekend. The one they have at my local dealer is a manual transmission V10 Spider.

In the end they gave me a new Maserati instead so I didn't get to take the V10 for the weekend. I have driven a manual V10 though and I do think they're excellent cars.

I love the look of them, well built, very solid and nice use of materials. I don't think they feel very "special" to be in though, much like the Gallardo in that sense. Lovely engine the V10, gearbox is great too as long as you don't get the R-Chronic. I don't really understand how Audi took the E-Gear from the Lambo and made it worse, that took some talent. They also took a wonderful exhaust note and ruined that too IMO.

I think the R8 is a far better daily proposition than the F430 but lacks the character and drama of the F car. The 430 feels alive, the R8 is like the Gallardo in that it's all rather clinical and safe. For me, honestly, I don't think I should've bought the R8 instead, I find the 430 more exciting to live with (so does my wallet) and more engaging/thrilling to drive.

What were your thoughts on the V10+? I've yet to drive it with the new DSG gearbox though my wife's S5 has the same box so I can only imagine it'll be pretty good.
 
The V10+ was good, the new S-Tronic box is night and day better than the GTR, you can't even feel it shift its so smooth but I want to try a manual next before you can't buy a new manual sports car any more.
If I got one it would be a normal V10 6 speed with the magnetic ride suspension which the Plus doesn't have and normal steel brakes not ceramic ones which I didn't get on with in the Audi, I think they are over assisted may be.

I quite like clinical and safe for daily use ;)
 
^JP^ said:
The V10+ was good, the new S-Tronic box is night and day better than the GTR, you can't even feel it shift its so smooth but I want to try a manual next before you can't buy a new manual sports car any more.
If I got one it would be a normal V10 6 speed with the magnetic ride suspension which the Plus doesn't have and normal steel brakes not ceramic ones which I didn't get on with in the Audi, I think they are over assisted may be.

I quite like clinical and safe for daily use ;)
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I think you'll quite enjoy the manual gearbox as it's very similar to the Ferrari/Lambo feel. It's not a fast box by any means but it's lovely to use.

What was wrong with the ceramics on the +? I have ceramics on the F430 and aside from the epic costs of them, I'm really glad I have them. They last forever and the best bit of all, no brake dust!

I'd agree that safe is best with daily driving. Is this going to be your daily or just a weekend toy? I'd be interested in your thoughts if you go drive a F430, it's a radically different car and experience to the GT-R or R8.
 
The new Audi S-Tronic gearbox is absolutely amazeballs. It was only with an S4/S5 engine, but the first time I drove it I pulled out the dealers, looked at the display and saw that it had already made two changes without me even noticing anything!
 
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