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Russell Brand.
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Of course I do
Point being peoples overreaction to it and the sensationalisation of it in the media is more about entertainment for the masses than justice.There will be 100s of similar, albeit not famous, possibly more damaging cases, across the country pretty much all of the time, are their thoughts, feelings and sometimes unavoidable exposure to such trauma inducing media thought about when the all week coverage starts? Probably not.
I wouldn't want to draw conclusions, but I wouldn't be surprised that the victims in this case have been treated to a better, more attentive standard than those of a victim who hasn't been chasing a celebrity who, let's face it, with brand, you kind of knew what you could be getting (to a degree!) right?
There will be those out there now, who haven't had the support, or justice they deserved but have to be exposed to this lot simply because the perpetrator was famous.
some people probably think harvey weinstein victims just wanted to be famous too much.
These kids just wanted jimmy saville to fix it for them, they agreed to all his acts because they wanted the badge.
its crazy people can have that mindsdet.
tell me your a nonce without telling me your a nconce by defending Russell brand or the walliams guy
These kids just wanted jimmy saville to fix it for them, they agreed to all his acts because they wanted the badge.
its crazy people can have that mindsdet.
tell me your a nonce without telling me your a nconce by defending Russell brand or the walliams guy
Nor any defence for brand either, am I surprised about it though? Not in the slightest.
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Fair challenge. Clumsy wording aside, I wasn't trying to blame the victims, and I can see why that line read that way.
Fame creates a power imbalance and people like him exploit it. That doesn't make it right, and nobody asks for or should expect what happened to them, famous perpetrator or not. The responsibility is his, and with the people who enabled him.
The point I was clumsily trying to make is about the coverage. Wall to wall reporting turns cases like this into entertainment, and there are a lot of people with similar experiences who never got support or justice and now have it in their faces all week because the perpetrator happens to be famous. Those victims deserve as much attention as these ones, not less.
There are female fans still standing by him now. If he ever reoffends against one of them, the blame won't lie with her, even if some people would be quick to judge her with hindsight. It will lie with him, and with a culture that let him get away with it for so long in the first place.
Fame creates a power imbalance and people like him exploit it. That doesn't make it right, and nobody asks for or should expect what happened to them, famous perpetrator or not. The responsibility is his, and with the people who enabled him.
The point I was clumsily trying to make is about the coverage. Wall to wall reporting turns cases like this into entertainment, and there are a lot of people with similar experiences who never got support or justice and now have it in their faces all week because the perpetrator happens to be famous. Those victims deserve as much attention as these ones, not less.
There are female fans still standing by him now. If he ever reoffends against one of them, the blame won't lie with her, even if some people would be quick to judge her with hindsight. It will lie with him, and with a culture that let him get away with it for so long in the first place.
Just looked at court case and on the rape charge he was found guilty on the women didnt have the original phone from 2009 and didnt have the original texts well both didnt, the message was recreated from her memory saying Brand had treated her like an animal.
She said Brand had said sorry in text message she also showed this to a former boyfriend who testified.
I guess the jury was swayed on the part where the former boyfriend backed it up, but from what I seen the former boyfriend also changed from what was said in his original police report to his court report. Although it is worth noting that Brand didnt actually admit to rape in these messages from what I have seen.
Want to move on to another part and say about the Soho bar incident 2004, he was accused of groping breast and was charged on that but again the evidence I have seen was only someone reported them leaving cubicle, no CCTV or solid or even eyewitness to these charges.
What I dont understand is how in this incident he was found guilty of touching a breast but not of the other charge of forcing oral sex?
Looking at the evidence these two incidents they both happened on same period but at different points the groping was account by the lady who said he reached forward for her breast, and the oral sex was from cubicle at later point.
I guess we will never know why the jury was sure on one part of the charge and not the other.
I personally dont care either way for the guy but its interesting when you go through the evidence that is available, it good to discuss these things.
I havnt bothered looking at all as it to much to consume if im honest but happened to see people challenge it around and looked into it myself.
She said Brand had said sorry in text message she also showed this to a former boyfriend who testified.
I guess the jury was swayed on the part where the former boyfriend backed it up, but from what I seen the former boyfriend also changed from what was said in his original police report to his court report. Although it is worth noting that Brand didnt actually admit to rape in these messages from what I have seen.
Want to move on to another part and say about the Soho bar incident 2004, he was accused of groping breast and was charged on that but again the evidence I have seen was only someone reported them leaving cubicle, no CCTV or solid or even eyewitness to these charges.
What I dont understand is how in this incident he was found guilty of touching a breast but not of the other charge of forcing oral sex?
Looking at the evidence these two incidents they both happened on same period but at different points the groping was account by the lady who said he reached forward for her breast, and the oral sex was from cubicle at later point.
I guess we will never know why the jury was sure on one part of the charge and not the other.
I personally dont care either way for the guy but its interesting when you go through the evidence that is available, it good to discuss these things.
I havnt bothered looking at all as it to much to consume if im honest but happened to see people challenge it around and looked into it myself.
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I wonder if Russell will be getting some prison justice sooner than many of us thought;
"Russell Brand will face "hell on earth" inside HMP Wandsworth, a former inmate at the London prison has said.
Chris Atkins, who served eight months at HMP Wandsworth for tax fraud, described the prison as "hell on earth".
He continued: "The first month is hands-down the worst. The mental shock is absolutely colossal. It was colossal for me and it's going to be 10 times worse for him because of the nature of his offences and the height from which he's fallen.
"He has to come to terms with it and the pure physical shock of suddenly being trapped in a dungeon for weeks on end with nobody to talk to most of the time is ghastly."
A source close to the disgraced comedian said he was doing "remarkably well considering the circumstances" and that he had been moved from isolation to a main wing in the prison.
A member of staff at Wandsworth said there had been "much excitement" among the inmates about Brand's arrival.
"Prisons are boring and Russell Brand being in their space has given them some fun - they've been slamming on cell doors and shouting out his name. He is a rapist, so there's also been some anger about what he's done.
"We're very aware of that feeling," they said.
"Russell Brand will face "hell on earth" inside HMP Wandsworth, a former inmate at the London prison has said.
Chris Atkins, who served eight months at HMP Wandsworth for tax fraud, described the prison as "hell on earth".
He continued: "The first month is hands-down the worst. The mental shock is absolutely colossal. It was colossal for me and it's going to be 10 times worse for him because of the nature of his offences and the height from which he's fallen.
"He has to come to terms with it and the pure physical shock of suddenly being trapped in a dungeon for weeks on end with nobody to talk to most of the time is ghastly."
A source close to the disgraced comedian said he was doing "remarkably well considering the circumstances" and that he had been moved from isolation to a main wing in the prison.
A member of staff at Wandsworth said there had been "much excitement" among the inmates about Brand's arrival.
"Prisons are boring and Russell Brand being in their space has given them some fun - they've been slamming on cell doors and shouting out his name. He is a rapist, so there's also been some anger about what he's done.
"We're very aware of that feeling," they said.
More women make allegations against Russell Brand
The new claims are in the Times and a Netflix documentary, following Brand's recent conviction for rape.
www.bbc.co.uk
Shocking
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Is it, though?More women make allegations against Russell Brand
The new claims are in the Times and a Netflix documentary, following Brand's recent conviction for rape.
Shocking
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Far too many similarities in those accounts to be coincidence. And they are on top of the two alleged rape charges he could be facing. I wouldn't put money on him getting out in 7 years.More women make allegations against Russell Brand
The new claims are in the Times and a Netflix documentary, following Brand's recent conviction for rape.
Shocking
In before the knuckle draggers turn up to say the stories are similar because they worked together on them. It’s all a conspiracy. Ed Miliband is still cross about that time he came round for a cup of tea and told people not to vote.
Twas sarcasm. Some who indulged in this sort of sexual behaviour was likely to have done nasty things to the majority of the women he has slept with and it will all come out now.