Russian Dog Experiment (Video is fake)

RDM said:
Alternatively some of us value human life more than animal life and do not equate animals bred for experimentation to family pets?

I have no issues at all with animal experimentation for medical purposes. I would rather a million beagles die than my daughter or someone else from a disease that could have been prevented or cured via said experimentation.
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Agreed.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
So if I put you under anaesthetic, then carried out similar experiments on you, would that also be okay, seeing as you wouldn't be able to feel it? I think not.
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Are you comparing human life with a dogs life? The dog was probably never someones pet or was going to be put down anyway.

If someone you loved was dying and the only cure or operation to save that persons life was only discovered by experimenting on animals, you'd change your beliefs.
 
Streeteh said:
This tbh. It's harsh but it's just the way of nature to value your own species over others.
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Tbh, I find people who don't very odd. If I was to choose to let a person or an animal live, I'd pretty much always pick a human. I want our race (humans) to do ( and progress) better than other races.

Animals don't build skyscrapers, they don't make cars, they don't go to the moon, they don't operate you and make you healthy ,etc...

Hell, even religious people think so, it all comes back to genesis... The bible says god made us to rule over the other animals ( before you have a rant at me, I don't believe a single thing from genesis or most of the bible for that matter).
 
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Animals don't build skyscrapers, they don't make cars, they don't go to the moon, they don't operate you and make you healthy ,etc...
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Ants make skyscrapers.
But you got me on the other ones.....
EDIT:Leeches operate on you and make you healthy :P
They not be animals tho.
 
snowdog said:
Tbh, I find people who don't very odd. If I was to choose to let a person or an animal live, I'd pretty much always pick a human. I want our race (humans) to do ( and progress) better than other races.
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Very true, and funny you should mention that. I say this as only a couple of weeks back i saw a mini documentary where some dude (i forget his name) was going around with two charity pots. One was for Oxfam, the other for one of those dog charities you see all the adverts for on daytime television. He gave each person a pound and asked them to put it in the pot of their choice, i was horrified to see that out of the 50 or so he asked, less than half put the money in the oxfam pot.

I just didn't get it.

WalesOwl said:
EDIT:Leeches operate on you and make you healthy :P
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True, but it was a human that discovered that leeches help clean up a persons blood. It's not as if someone was sat there with an infection and a leech came up to him and persuaded the person to stick him on there :p. It was also a human that discovered that penecillin is produced by a fungus and that if certain mild diseases are injected into a human they can then become immune to far more threating strains. There are many things in nature that are useful to increasing the lifespan of a human, but pretty much all of their applications were discovered and implemented by people.
 
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This kinda thing really creeps me out. Wierd twisted science. But, were any of these experiments successful? Could they actually keep a dogs brain alive and make it respond to external tests? I dunno, some of this screams science fiction, well, getting it to work anyway. Could this kinda thing be done with a human head? I mean, i hear that if you get decapitated your brain is still active to a point where if someone called your name, you could actually move your eyes to look at them. The brain would remain aware of the surroundings for a very brief time.
 
net_slayer said:
I mean, i hear that if you get decapitated your brain is still active to a point where if someone called your name, you could actually move your eyes to look at them. The brain would remain aware of the surroundings for a very brief time.
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Obviously there is no proof that this is true as anyone who experienced it would be well... dead. But there have been many eyewitness reports in the days of 'quick' beheaddings (guillotine in particular due to its near instant nature) that the head would look around, twitch etc for a few seconds after the deed was done. It is not unreasonable to speculate that the brain is still indeed active but is very quickly being starved of oxygen.

I could speculate further and say that i see no reason why the experiment in the op isn't possible. If 'fresh' blood is kept flowing into the brain it could feasibly stay active as all the other organs do is clean the blood/replenish it with oxygen to keep the body alive. It's not as if the brain actually needs to be attached to any of these organs to work, it just needs a good blood supply. Easier said than done obviously.

deuse said:
Sorry I mean about what they do now..my bad..
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What do they do that's particularly awful these days?
 
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knowlesy said:
its the eternal question of, would you kill one innocent person to save millions ?

granted your going to have to do something evil to help stop each individual evil such as cancer etc but if it does it and works and theirs no other way...sure sadly
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Indeed, as said above, it's not ideal, but animals are still a much close match to the human biological system than e.g. any computer model can provide.

It's also more a question would I kill 20 guinea pigs to save one human being. Sure, easy.
 
deuse said:
Sorry to busy today :)
maybe in another thread :)
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As has been said above, when you have more time i'd like it if you could continue with your point. It's a pretty big statement to make and i'd like to hear your reasoning on it. Obviously i'd like to try and keep this debate within this thread as carrying it on in another thread would derail it :p
 
Robert1986 said:
Its a necessary evil. How do you think we came about todays modern medicine and life saving surgeries. They all had to be experimented on something or somebody.
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I don't buy the greater good argument, you can use it to justify anything, you might as well say lets kill everyone so that trillions won't suffer in the future.
 
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where can i get one!! it would be a lot better than nodding dog i have in the back of the car at the moment.
 
vincent1989 said:
the fact that people are sick enough to dream up and carry out experiments like this is exactly why i have no faith in humanity
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I don't think it's possible to repeat that cliche without sounding like an incredible melodramatic ponce
 
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