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yeah they do, quite a big lead as well considering they have already managed to test it, but can't get enough silicon it seems to release them, I think (seen some specs of it)the Nvidia GTX300 will have a 512 so I bet it will be rather expensive, however as normal the Radeon cards will be clocked higher and harder.
 
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So going with ATI could be a bit of a lottery, for early adopters anyway as if nvidia cards turn out to be a lot better then ATI's prices are gonna plummet.

Potentially anyway
 
AFAIK yes, ATi have said they COULD have priced the 4870 far higher, not that they should have, it would have made them less money and its really that simple. Dell for instance would buy far more cards at £200, than even at £225. Because OEM's like to hit targets, so a £500 comp has an X priced gfx, cpu, mem, hdd, and when you go to £600, each part gets a £20 bump. But they'll always sell 10 times as many £500 comps as £600 computers.

ATi will just be kicking themselves in the foot going much above £200, because a 5870x2 then becomes a £400+ card which they don't want. the 4870x2 came out at the £330-350 mark and I wouldn't expect that price to increase much at all.

As for Nvidia, the problem is massive power issues with 40nm which are mostly leakage issues, get worse the higher the clock speed goes.

Nvidia core clock might be lower but the significant part of the core, the majority of the core, is the shaders, which clock in at between 1200-1500mhz depending on the part/overclockedness. IE Nvidia have a much bigger core(also more of a problem with current leakage) and a far far higher clocked core(most of it) which is why they are having much larger problems.

Their desktop dx10.1 parts(realistically laptop bits bodged to desktop parts) only have 24 and 48 shaders in the two models, the first 260 had 192 shaders, the 280 has 240 shaders, and the new parts will have significantly more again. As they are having trouble with high clocked(shaders) 24 shader cores its not a surprise that their possible 480shader newer cores are having significant problems.


But by and large TSMC have screwed them, yes Nvidia probably should have gone the efficiency cluster route with far smaller cores by now, but then TSMC screwed ATi on 40nm also. 40nm was supposed to be out, initially schedualed by TSMC for LAST OCTOBER. They made many official statements of delays way before that point so we knew by June last year it would never see the light of day before late into 2009.


Thats why we're so desparate for Global Foundries, there is NO competition to TSMC, they can screw up every day for the next 2 years and ATi and Nvidia have no choice but to keep paying them to make their chips. Since Global Foundries has started going after clients, broken ground on the new plant TSMC have tripled their R&D money for this year alone I believe, and that new GloFo plant won't be up and running for 3 years.

So TSMC have at least noticed if they keep screwing up in 3 years everyone will tell them where to stick it, even Nvidia are interested in having ATi/GloFo make their chips which should suggest just how much TSMC have messed up. Considering their increase in R&D and spending, lets just hope the next drop to 28(maybe 34nm) is much smoother.
 
I really hope you are right drunken, one things for sure as soon as ATI release the 58xx Nvidia will respond. Looks like they can't respond with new hardware so it will be a price cut and/or a rename.

GTX290 - a slightly overclocked 285 undercutting the price of the 5870 maybe.
 
I can't find the link so just me but i am read that ati were going to stick to the announced pricing structure for the 5 series they bought in with the 4 series so i don't expect much higher release prices on the 5 series. They know they have hit the right balance with their pricing and that it sells more of their cards increasing their market share which i think they are concentrating on more then total profit for now. If they manage to get an advantage over nvidia for a longer period then i wouldn't be surprised if they tried to exploit that by raising their prices but i think thats a way off yet.
 
I Think the prices will be higher than the 4800's on release purely because there no nvidia competition and the TSMC yeild problems. I think £250 on release and settleing ~£220 for a stock card is realistic yet slightly optimistic.
 
they need another rebranded 8800 :p

Haha, that is exactly the problem, they are making a card from the ground up with new architecture and new components. Something NVIDIA don't do very often - precisely why they can't get it out on time, it's a shock to the system lol :p
 
Haha, that is exactly the problem, they are making a card from the ground up with new architecture and new components. Something NVIDIA don't do very often - precisely why they can't get it out on time, it's a shock to the system lol :p

But also another reason to why these cards could be a real killers.
Hopefully Nvidia have learned from there pricing strategy's? Probably not but ya never know.
 
But also another reason to why these cards could be a real killers.
Hopefully Nvidia have learned from there pricing strategy's? Probably not but ya never know.

If you think that NVIDIA are going to charge reasonabe prices for their new cards I wouldn't get your hopes up haha, NVIDIA don't know the meaning of bang for buck :(
 
I'm quite sure that Nvidia will make sure their top end single GPU part beats the 5870 and by doing so will be able to charge £300-£400 for it.

Unless of course it turns out to be another Nvidia 5800 leaf blower debacle :D
 
na I don't think they have still like German car manufacturers paying for the name and slogan (in Nviidas case) :P not saying they are bad in fact no were near, but the company itself is considering the marketing strategy they come up with and its use customers that suffer
 
I'm quite sure that Nvidia will make sure their top end single GPU part beats the 5870 and by doing so will be able to charge £300-£400 for it.

Unless of course it turns out to be another Nvidia 5800 leaf blower debacle :D

The card will be extremely good, I don't think there is any doubt there.

However they will have no choice but to charge a lot for it being that it is brand new tech and has cost NVIDIA a lot of time and money to make.

£300-£400 is hopeful tbh, I honestly think you will be looking at a £450-£550 launch price, then leveling out to a £350-£430.
 
ATi will have the early advantage and Nvidia will get to observe and better ATi's cards. However, by the time they release their cards, Ati's partners would have countless versions of it and probably selling them a fair bit cheaper than Nvidia (Who is widely known for their premium prices). Overall, I think Ati will have the upper hand.

People will have the option to crossfire 5870 at a little more than Nvidia's range and probably twice the power. If you was to sLi with Nvidia's cards, you are looking at around £900-£1000 which I think majority would be put of by.
 
You've got more chance of graham norton having a girlfriend then nvidia not overcharging on their new cards.

The reason there usually able to get away with it is because the competition usually sucks, so long as ATI can release something well priced and competitive it won't happen.
 
in some game tests the 4870 was as much as 50% slower than the gtx 280 looking at results from last year, the majority of the time the 4870 was 10-20% behind.

if they are competing for the high end this time you would think ATi's best single chip card would be closer.. with nvidia coming months later i cant see it happening though.
 
The reason there usually able to get away with it is because the competition usually sucks, so long as ATI can release something well priced and competitive it won't happen.

Yeah 'cause the 9700, 9800, X800, X850, X1800, X1900, 3800* and 4800 series all sucked so hard didn't they? The 2900 series' failure was an anomaly.

*Yes I realise they weren't the best performers, but they were priced aggressively and the 3870 X2 did hold the top spot for a short while. They especially did quite well whilst Nvidia was struggling to get G92's out into the market initially.
 
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