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This topic was coming sooner or later but what is everyones thoughts on who is the better Dutch player?

For me, when RVN was at UTD it was the best time to be a UTD fan. He is arguably the greatest finisher in the game. He scored all sorts of goals. The Dutch really do produce the best strikers in world football and UTD fans have been lucky enough to have had RVN and now RVP.

But who is better? Its still early days for RVP and he is getting on abit as far as football years go, but he can still score a good amount of goals for UTD in the coming years.

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and this video always cracks me up. :D Why can't EPL commentators be as awesome as foreign ones?

 
Impossible to compare imo

EPL has changed dramatically in the intervening years and it wouldnt be fair to compare either player directly (not that this actually stops anyone lol)


RVN was a goal-mouth hog and did very little else for the team apart from score goals - nothign wrong with that in the day but its hard to justify a place in the 1st team for someone like that now.

RVP has a lot more to his game, and for all we know could have a career ending injury at any time - so he could easily top RvN or be a huge disappointment over time (through his fault / through tactics or through injury or something else entirely)
 
Good post. I'd have to agree with RVN being better in front of goal but he was such a selfish player in his time, RVP helps the team out more. Times in the EPL have changed since RVN played for UTD. Full backs now act like wingers and wingers cut in a lot more.

As long as RVP can help UTD to a title this season, I'd be happy. Its a shame RVN didn't get a chance to be in the 2008 CL winning squad.
 
If you're going to compare just Dutch strikers then MVB was better than the pair of them.
And even Man.U. fans can't compare these 2 after what 4-5 games?
A very odd thread, probably coming later might've been better for it.
 
RVP wasn't even all that good yesterday :(

His first was a gift of a defensive slip, 2nd lucky rebound to tap in, 3rd best of the 3 with very lazy movement in the corner from us.

RVN is an amazing player and it will take a lot of games for RVP to be a comparable influence at United...
 
RVN is the best goalscorer I've ever seen play for Man Utd, I doubt I'll ever see a better goal scorer than him in a red shirt

FrankJH said:
RVN was a goal-mouth hog and did very little else for the team apart from score goals - nothign wrong with that in the day but its hard to justify a place in the 1st team for someone like that now.
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lol
 
JohnnyG said:
If you're going to compare just Dutch strikers then MVB was better than the pair of them.
And even Man.U. fans can't compare these 2 after what 4-5 games?
A very odd thread, probably coming later might've been better for it.
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I think we can compare RVP's stint at Arsenal with RVN's days at UTD. We all know what RVP is capable of already.

RVN was in his early/mid twenties when he joined UTD? He was just making a name for himself, RVP is the finished article.
 
JohnnyG said:
If you're going to compare just Dutch strikers then MVB was better than the pair of them.
And even Man.U. fans can't compare these 2 after what 4-5 games?
A very odd thread, probably coming later might've been better for it.
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Did Marco ever play in the EPL?

(just as stupid as dm comparing Chicharito to E'eto the other day imo, when they are at the opposite ends of their careers practically and in completely different leagues)


RvN was a fantastic goal-scorer, and when he played he was incredible but imo for right or wrong he didnt do as much as Rooney nowadays (whether thats Rooney's "failing" as a striker is another discussion altogether, but imo players need to be more in this style than one position and only this one position)
 
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Robert1986 said:
I think we can compare RVP's stint at Arsenal with RVN's days at UTD. We all know what RVP is capable of already.

RVN was in his early/mid twenties when he joined UTD? He was just making a name for himself, RVP is the finished article.
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Saying that it's still early days for RVP implies you're on about his Man.U. career, he hasn't had one yet.

FrankJH said:
Did Marco ever play in the EPL?

(just as stupid as dm comparing Chicharito to E'eto the other day imo, when they are at the opposite ends of their careers practically and in completely different leagues)
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Nah, neither has Messi but he's still better than Rooney.
 
George Best played in the EPL??

Anyway, pointless thread (and slightly cringeworthy to non Utd fans as well I'd imagine).

RvN is a better goalscorer.

RvP is the more technically gifted player in almost every way.

Doesn't really take a thread or RvP actually kicking a ball for us to come to those conclusions :p.
 
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Well, from a pure statistical point of view, in the united shirt, RVP is winning by miles.

4 goals in 3 games. 1.3 goals per game :p

So yes, thread started too soon, he'll need at least a season or 2 to be judged against RVN.
 
I didn't see the image earlier but that is a freaky coincidence, if RVP scores 150 goals for us it'll be money well spent. Hopefully he wins more than Ruud did though, that's the only thing that blighted his time at the club just 1 league title an FA Cup and a Carling Cup that he didn't even make it onto the pitch for :(
 
Robert1986 said:
He scored all sorts of goals
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Not going to tackle the main debate of RvP vs RvN but I'd take issue with that, considering the volume of goals he scored there wasn't that much variety compared to some players. He didn't score that many goals involving dribbles round 4 defenders, or 30 yard screamers etc.
 
FrankJH said:
Would George Best be as good today as he was 40 years ago - who knows, but at least he played in the EPL
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He played in England and in the top division at the time but since the EPL started in 1992...

In terms of better player you'd surely need more than 3 games and a definition of how you mean better here before it has any real meaning as a thread. Robin Van Persie is almost unquestionably technically more proficient but whether he'll score more goals are be as effective an outlet for the team as Ruud Van Nistlerooy are somewhat different issues.

I'd also question whether the Dutch do produce the best strikers in football, you've named two in the past twenty years but I'd have taken Ronaldo (Luiz Nazario de Lima) over either I think at any point between about 18 and 25. Come to think of it, I'd probably have taken Batistuta over either as well.
 
I think as mentioned you can't really have a RVN, Yorke or Cole as strikers at a top club in the modern game.

It is completely different and that is why someone like Carroll won't thrive at a top club.
 
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