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Ryzen 2 Overall system / memory stability

Greboth

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Hi all,

This is basically a 8700k v 2700x question which I know there is already a thread for however I'm coming at it from a different angle and didn't want to hijack that thread. I've got all the parts together for my new build except CPU and Motherboard so I'm left with the question of 2700x or 8700k.

The TL;DR at the beginning; How stable is the Ryzen 2 platform? Is it just the people having problems are posting more so it seems like a bigger issue than it is?

Obviously Ryzen is, relative to Intels, a new platform however it seems there a number of people having problems getting their system stable whether seeminly due to having things like XFR, precision boost etc. enabled or not being able to hit the advertised RAM speed or timings etc.

Having read a lot of the reviews and benchmarks, Ryzen 2700x is the CPU for me; My PC is used about 50/50 for gaming and creating things (videos, 3d modelling and rendering etc.) I'll be gaming on a 1440p 60Hz monitor so there seems to be little point going 8700k for the higher FPS is can achieve.

All that said, I've done very little overclocking, tweaking, stability testing in my time with PC's so was hoping for a "plug and play" experience with Ryzen and letting the chip self clock as necessary. However this may seem unlikely depending on prevelant the problems are with system stability.

All this puts be back to thinking about going the 8700k route which obviously has it's own issues with less cores/threads, any upgrade would need a new motherboard, temperates if overclocked etc.

As I'm sure someone will ask, whichever way I go I will have 32Gb (4x8Gb) DDR4 3200Mhz Team Group 8 Pack RAM and a GTX 1070. The two combo's I'm looking at are;

For AMD;
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £515.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)​

Intel;
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £519.94 (includes shipping: £0.00)​
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I would say the Intel build would be easiest - Ryzen is easy too, but with 4 sticks of 3200 you will need an element of luck to boot straight up with the memory at that speed and no additional tuning I think - though I'm sure people have managed it.

The Ryzen build would probably offer more perf for the none gaming tasks you do - but would depend on the apps you use.

Just throwing it out there, but have you thought about the i7-7800X? Or the 8 core Threadripper - they are both quad channel platforms with better options for growth IMO, E.G:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £530.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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Thanks for the reply @BongoHunter That was some of my thinking on how succesful I would be with the 4 sticks but it is B die so I remain hopeful if I go the Ryzen route. I don't mind a little tuning but it seems some people have had problems since launch so over 2 weeks of tuning to not have a stable system is off putting.

I had thought about Threadripper but that would add £100+ to the cost and I'm already going over budget with 2700x or 8700k. I'd discounted SKT2066 due to the amount of negativity I remember it having at lunch however looking up some benchmarks it really doesn't outperform a 2700X unless you go higher for the higher end chips then I'm running in to the same problem as Threadripper.
 
Yeah do it - I do think the Ryzen route offers more performance outside of gaming, I think the worst that could possibly happen is having to set the RAM to run at a lower speed until a new BIOS appears, but there's a decent chance it will be alright - worth the (slight) risk IMO
 
Also interested in stability of the Ryzen+ platform! Have a 1600X on B350, and it seems solid at stock - goes many weeks between reboots, as long as the SoC volts are tapped up a touch. Cannot run my 2x16 TridentZ at rated 3200, however. Want to swap MB anyway, so interested in success stories with X470 "just working" :)
 
My Asus X470 prime / 2700X / 16gb 8pack 3200 system is rock solid stable. I mostly use it for gaming and not had a single crash or problem in the weeks since launch. I haven’t had to tweak anything in the bios at all it just works with docp enabled.
 
eddiew said:
Also interested in stability of the Ryzen+ platform! Have a 1600X on B350, and it seems solid at stock - goes many weeks between reboots, as long as the SoC volts are tapped up a touch. Cannot run my 2x16 TridentZ at rated 3200, however. Want to swap MB anyway, so interested in success stories with X470 "just working" :)
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Do you know if the Trident Z is Samsung b die? I couldn't find any 16Gb sticks when I looked around but would rather have 2 16Gb than 4 x 8Gb.

pcfarrar said:
My Asus X470 prime / 2700X / 16gb 8pack 3200 system is rock solid stable. I mostly use it for gaming and not had a single crash or problem in the weeks since launch. I haven’t had to tweak anything in the bios at all it just works with docp enabled.
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Thanks pcfarrar :) I guessed there would be people for who it just worked but as with anything, very few people are going to post when it works but everyone will post when it doesn't which does give a distorted view.
 
Mines been solid, tweaking has been much much easier than my 1700X and my ram is stable at the same speeds I had on the 1700X.

The only time I had issues is when I pushed the clocks too much.
 
No complaints from my 2700X, dropped it in my X370 Taichi, set RAM to XMP 3200MHz and job done.
 
opethdisciple said:
On the Ryzen build I would spend the little extra and buy the Asus CH7.
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Any particular reason? It seemed a good place to save £60 as from what I’ve read they seem almost the same board with overall reviews being equal and teardowns praising the Strix’s power delivery as one of the best of the X470 platform.
 
Greboth said:
Any particular reason? It seemed a good place to save £60 as from what I’ve read they seem almost the same board with overall reviews being equal and teardowns praising the Strix’s power delivery as one of the best of the X470 platform.
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Only because with a 2700x you get more options that get more out of the CPU automatically.

Core Performance boost for example is not an option I have on my Prime Pro x370. And from what I've read it will automatically pushes the frequency up by 200MHz temp allowing.

Not sure how true this is as it still might be tempt limited but the option to enable Core Performance boost (level 2) is not on my board.

I get 4GHz presently. With Core Performance boost set to level 2 I'd get 4.2GHz all cores automatically.

Some one else with a CH7 or even a CH6 (if they backported it) can tell us if this is the case.
 
Not all 2700X chips are even capable of 4.2ghz on all cores. Waste of money.

Do you know anyone who has actually confirmed 4.2ghz on all cores without manually overclocking?
 
if you on a budget or not a unlimited spend and not just gaming the ryzen makes sense.gaming the intel is leaps ahead.multi tasking editing the ryzen for the money is better.also decent at gaming just not as good as the intel .
 
muon said:
That's not evidence of anything. What is the speed on all cores under sustained load?

I could show an 1800X runs 4.1ghz on every core at some point or other.
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OK.

I was just of the understanding that Core Performance boost pushes the chips further. I do not have the option on my x370.

Have a read of this article. This is where I got this information from.
 
opethdisciple said:
OK.

I was just of the understanding that Core Performance boost pushes the chips further. I do not have the option on my x370.
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Paying £60 for MCE is ridiculous. Secondly I've love to see what voltages Asus are pushing to ensure that 4.2ghz (if indeed it is that) runs on all 2700X chips. Remember they don't control the VID rating of the chip like AMD do.

I doubt very many people on Z370 boards are using MCE.
 
muon said:
Paying £60 for MCE is ridiculous. Secondly I've love to see what voltages Asus are pushing to ensure that 4.2ghz (if indeed it is that) runs on all 2700X chips. Remember they don't control the VID rating of the chip like AMD do.

I doubt very many people on Z370 boards are using MCE.
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I'm referring to x470 boards.
 
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