Ryzen 2600 with 2080ti

[LePhuronn]

I can see the zen 2 refinement (i.e 7nm+) being the last on AM4. that should release in 2020 meaning 2021 will be AM5 for Zen 3

Which is more likely, but you know how these semantics go "until 2020" doesn't necessarily mean "including 2020". But yes, there would be no real reason for the Zen 2 refresh to not work on 500 series boards.

 

[Wommers]

I am actually planning on just waiting to get a nice 570 board and may opt for something mid range and reasonable, perhaps the chips that boost to 4.8ghz (3600x) to get a decent bump for my gpu. I think those will be best bang for buck. By the time those chips start getting long in the tooth and moar corez becomes necessary there will be much better chips on the go.

 

[Wommers]

Which is more likely, but you know how these semantics go "until 2020" doesn't necessarily mean "including 2020". But yes, there would be no real reason for the Zen 2 refresh to not work on 500 series boards.

I know what you mean, but the way i read the original AMD speel on supporting to 2020 it meant to include it. Plus zen 2 refresh will be same arch so *should* in theory work

 

[Orange Nexus]

Sometimes there is little difference, but sometimes there is a really significant difference between a 2700X and a 9900K, even at 1440p. Sometimes the disparity isn't far off 40%. Check out Eurogamer's Far Cry Results and Gamersnexus. Sometimes the difference is so pronounced it's far greater than the difference between a 2080 and a 2080ti.

It leaves me thinking that current gen Ryzen would completely gimp a 2080ti, so it's imperative I have an upgrade path that doesn't involve the rigmarole of swapping CPU/RAM/Mobo and reinstalling Windows.

None of us here knows if the 3000 will perform better with regard to latency. The Ryzen 2000 needs at least 3466 with tight timing like Cl14 if paired with a highend gpu. Be wary of reviews that compare the 2700 @ 4.2GHz as an equal to a stock 2700X, especially if they are comparing it with oc'ed cpus. The 2700X with PBO reaches OC of 4.3GHz on all cores combined with faster RAM really adds up in fps wise. The Ryzen 3000 series will hopefully will not suffer any latency issues. For mid-tier gpus, yes, 3200MHz RAM is fine but with tight timings again like Cl14.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

I want to upgrade my PC but can't justify the outlay on what I really want, which is a 9900k + 2080ti. Therefore, I am considering spending as little as possible to get acceptable performance until the new AMD CPUs come along in July-ish.

If I bought a 2600 processor and stuck it in an MSI Tomahawk Mobo, with 16Gb of 3000 RAM and a 2080ti, will I definitely be able to drop in one of these 9900k-slaying Ryzen 3s in a few months time, or will there be loads of hassle in doing so?

The other thought I had was a 9900k with a vanilla 2080, but I don't think that would have the longevity in terms of graphics capability.

Okay so you're buying a really expensive GPU with performance most can only dream of, yet you want to use a cheap motherboard to save money? It doesn't make sense to me. Fair enough that you want to save money but the motherboard/CPU is the wrong place to do this. Why not buy a decent motherboard/CPU and save money by getting a cheaper GPU if money is a concern to you? It's better to have a GPU bottleneck than a CPU bottleneck because the former allows for a GPU upgrade after 3 years to give you a balanced system.

Either get a 9900k and a cheaper GPU if you're on a budget , or wait 6 months. I dont see the point in buying a B450 now because in 6 months you'll have an amazing GPU with an obselete motherboard that some people will be getting rid of + the hassle of selling your temporary CPU on an auction site. Is it really worth it?

 

[sandys]

None of us here knows if the 3000 will perform better with regard to latency. The Ryzen 2000 needs at least 3466 with tight timing like Cl14 if paired with a highend gpu. Be wary of reviews that compare the 2700 @ 4.2GHz as an equal to a stock 2700X, especially if they are comparing it with oc'ed cpus. The 2700X with PBO reaches OC of 4.3GHz on all cores combined with faster RAM really adds up in fps wise. The Ryzen 3000 series will hopefully will not suffer any latency issues. For mid-tier gpus, yes, 3200MHz RAM is fine but with tight timings again like Cl14.

what he said, I have gen 1 ryzen that is tuned and does better than EGs 2700 in Far cry, obviously mine is a TR which is the same core count as 1800x/2700x but performance is impacted due to split die, it is still fine, I'd have no qualms pairing with a 2080Ti

I did some benches a while back on my system where memory speed stayed the same and I just changed timings XMP vs my own tuning Here big spread of performance with some tweaking at 1080p.

As we are on the cusp off new release I would wait though, see the lay of the land.

 

[chrcoluk]

Okay so you're buying a really expensive GPU with performance most can only dream of, yet you want to use a cheap motherboard to save money? It doesn't make sense to me. Fair enough that you want to save money but the motherboard/CPU is the wrong place to do this. Why not buy a decent motherboard/CPU and save money by getting a cheaper GPU if money is a concern to you? It's better to have a GPU bottleneck than a CPU bottleneck because the former allows for a GPU upgrade after 3 years to give you a balanced system.

Either get a 9900k and a cheaper GPU if you're on a budget , or wait 6 months. I dont see the point in buying a B450 now because in 6 months you'll have an amazing GPU with an obselete motherboard that some people will be getting rid of + the hassle of selling your temporary CPU on an auction site. Is it really worth it?

There has been various tests of b450 vs x470 on gaming performance and difference is pretty much zero to be fair.

If b450 is considered not good enough for a ryzen 3000 then it will probably be the same for a x470 given x470 boards are not much better.

So if the board will need replacing anyway, then may as well save some money in the process. The price difference between b450 and x470 isnt small either, I think its a very worthwhile saving considering the zero impact on performance.

 

[sandys]

The only difference between b450 and x470 would tend to be VRM build, with 450s often but not always being lower spec, the next gen chips should consume less power than the ones before it so perhaps it won't matter.

Some VRM info here

 

[Orange Nexus]

what he said, I have gen 1 ryzen that is tuned and does better than EGs 2700 in Far cry, obviously mine is a TR which is the same core count as 1800x/2700x but performance is impacted due to split die, it is still fine, I'd have no qualms pairing with a 2080Ti

I did some benches a while back on my system where memory speed stayed the same and I just changed timings XMP vs my own tuning Here big spread of performance with some tweaking at 1080p.

As we are on the cusp off new release I would wait though, see the lay of the land.

Nice tests there sandy. Very clear indeed. Never really spent time watching my fps cos my Ryzen is only paired with a mid-tier gpu. Really not needed any fine tuning and system runs quite good at optimized default in bios. But, it feels good to at least run the RAM at the speed they are advertised and maybe a bit of an oc for benching. I've oc my FlareX to 3466 Cl14 and compared it to Ripjaws of similar speed.

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