Ryzen 3000 vs 4000

[Vish Petrol]

I've been waiting to upgrade my Ryzen [email protected], and was looking forward to upgrading it this year to one of the 3000 series. However from what I have read AM4 is supported until next year, which would mean that the 4000 series of cpus will be coming out and be supported by my x370 taichi. However I can't find any information on it. Will there be any worth while changes or should I just upgrade this year.

If its worth holding out until the 4000 series I could just get the 8 core 3000 series and just benefit from her higher clockspeeds and better IPC for the time being and wait for 4000, or go all out and get a 12/16 core.

From what I have read ryzen benefits from faster ram but does not allow the ram clockspeeds to go as high as intel based systems. Will this change with the new cpus, or is it a motherboard limitation? Would it be worth upgrading my motherboard as well? I currently have Gskill ripjaws V 3000mhz CL14 ram which is running at 3200mhz. I have not changed any of the settings other than bump up the clockspeed.

 

[Vish Petrol]

Basically what @pastymuncher said with RAM. Ryzens current easily obtained sweet spot is 3200 and tight timings, start hitting past 3600 and the required timings reduce its impact. I'm at 3466 C14 on a 1700x.

When it came out bioses were really immature and RAM was much harder to hit a stable 3200. not so much the case now. I'm in your position and seeing what the thermals are like on the 12+ core to decide my position, if they are crap ill just go 8.

What ram do you have?

 

[Vish Petrol]

Plan on upgrading in 2020. Skipping Zen 2 in hopes Zen 3 comes with DDR5.

From what I remember, it took a few years before ddr3 and ddr4 were able to reach speed and timings to pass the faster variants of the older generations of memory, so its probably not worth jumping onto ddr5 straight away as you'll likely have to upgrade the memory again if you don't want the CPU to be bottlenecked, especially with infinity fabric.

 

[Vish Petrol]

F4-3200C14-8GTZR. 4 sticks on a Crosshair VI.

Ive got 2x8gb sticks of F4-3000C14D-16GVR. I was considering upgrading, but I only spent £120 on them 2 years ago, so I think i'll stick with them.

 

[Vish Petrol]

Yeah, I wouldn't bother and two sticks is more ideal at the moment. I just went 4 because I got a good deal on them. 3000GVR are B die though so should be good for 3200 C14 easily. probably 3333 C14.

I increased the clocks to 3200 and it seems to be fine. I don't understand how to overclock ram so i've just left it at that.

 

[Vish Petrol]

If Ryzen 4000 only has minor improvements that don't result in any real performance gains then it may be worth implementing DDR5 even if it is initially slower like Intel did with X99.

 

[Vish Petrol]

HBM 3 would make a lot of sense for AMD when they change socket if the price is halfway reasnable, a 7nm+ APU with HBM3 would deal to the memory bottleneck of on board graphics and they have invested heavilly in interposer IP.

Obviously that is a guess of wildest proportions.

Something like this would kill off a budget CPU+GPU combo build in the future.