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Ryzen 5 1600/Ryzen 7 1700 or i7 7600k/7700k for Gaming.

BeadyRoller

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Hi, so I am at the stage where I am going to be buying a new gaming PC, I'm wanting to upgrade pretty much everything in my current set up, so much so I'm thinking of just selling my current PC and buying a whole new build as then I can put that money that I get towards my new PC.

Anyway, I am going to be using it pretty much just for gaming, I currently have an i5 3570k but that stutters on more CPU intensive games like Arma, Rust etc. I have heard that Ryzen does well at providing very smooth gameplay? I know that I may not get as many frames as I would with the i7 but for me smoothness is just as big of a factor as frames, my current i5 stutters a lot in certain games so I really want to eliminate that if I upgrade.

I like the fact that Ryzen will allow me to upgrade more easily in the future as well, I wont have to change motherboards etc so that is a big plus for me but I've read that i7 7600/7700 really are what you should be getting if you're using your PC just for gaming.

Obviously the price of Ryzen 5 1600 is great as well but my question is, is it a big enough performance boost to justify upgrading my CPU from an i5 3570k? Will it be smoother? If not then I'd rather pay more money to go for the i7's or the the Ryzen 7 1700.

So confused on what I should go for, as you can probably tell haha. I should add that currently I play only at 1080p 144hz but somewhere down the line I will be getting a 1440p screen so that should come in to play with my decision as well.

I was also thinking of pairing it with a GTX 1080 or 1070 or maybe an RX 580 depending on what the performance is like when it comes out.

Sorry for rambling on but I really need some advice. Would appreciate any help.

Cheers!
 
BeadyRoller said:
Hi, so I am at the stage where I am going to be buying a new gaming PC, I'm wanting to upgrade pretty much everything in my current set up, so much so I'm thinking of just selling my current PC and buying a whole new build as then I can put that money that I get towards my new PC.

Anyway, I am going to be using it pretty much just for gaming, I currently have an i5 3570k but that stutters on more CPU intensive games like Arma, Rust etc. I have heard that Ryzen does well at providing very smooth gameplay? I know that I may not get as many frames as I would with the i7 but for me smoothness is just as big of a factor as frames, my current i5 stutters a lot in certain games so I really want to eliminate that if I upgrade.

I like the fact that Ryzen will allow me to upgrade more easily in the future as well, I wont have to change motherboards etc so that is a big plus for me but I've read that i7 7600/7700 really are what you should be getting if you're using your PC just for gaming.

Obviously the price of Ryzen 5 1600 is great as well but my question is, is it a big enough performance boost to justify upgrading my CPU from an i5 3570k? Will it be smoother? If not then I'd rather pay more money to go for the i7's or the the Ryzen 7 1700.

So confused on what I should go for, as you can probably tell haha. I should add that currently I play only at 1080p 144hz but somewhere down the line I will be getting a 1440p screen so that should come in to play with my decision as well.

I was also thinking of pairing it with a GTX 1080 or 1070 or maybe an RX 580 depending on what the performance is like when it comes out.

Sorry for rambling on but I really need some advice. Would appreciate any help.

Cheers!
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For what it's worth I'm using a 144hz display and i have no regrets going to a ryzen 1700 instead of a 7700k. I think tech power up did the review that showed it was 7% slower over a whole range of games with. 1080ti, double the cores and threads and a platform with a future with it being barely behind Intel's best gaming chip? It's a no brainier. This is before you take productivity into account, where ryzen destroys Intel's offerings at the same price.
 
Agree with the above. Headline figures, 7700K, future proofing Ryzen. I have no regrets for two reasons. 1) Something new other than the same old Intel. 2) Supports AMD, which is needed and sticks it to Intel for giving us the same for years.
 
ARMA III is terribly optimised - it really only uses one or two cores.

There are not a huge number of benchmarks for it on Ryzen but at least one or two websites have tested it:

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/mbrzostek/amd_zen/r5_1600x/wykresy/oc_nv_arma3.png
https://www.io-tech.fi/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ryzen5-bench-2-arma3.png

Its actually not too bad on Ryzen but it seems to do better on Intel and it seems to be down to the clockspeed advantage Intel has. I had a quick look for Rust benchmarks,but didn't find any - perhaps somebody can check if any websites or channels tested it.
 
I intend to aim Ryzen 5/7 at clients that want to stream since extra cores should help out.

But for yourself depends on your needs, I went with z270 purely for twin m.2 at full speed for games I use, even 960 Pro takes a while to load up civ 6 :(
 
Thanks for the replies. Still stuck on what I should go for, is a r5 1600 enough for 1440p gaming when I do make the jump or will I need a stronger CPU? I really like the future proofing that Ryzen will give me but in the back of my head I'm thinking because I just want to use my PC for gaming should I go with i7. Like I said, I just want really steady smooth frames, no stuttering, that's the main reason behind me upgrading from my current set up, it pretty much comes down to that.
 
It's the frame rate rather than the resolution that will affect the cpu more. Presently 1080p will show more of a difference between the two brands than 1440p will.

If you want the best gaming chip it's a no brainer with intel. If you want the best value chip then it's hard to argue with AMD.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
What graphics card do you have and have you tried overclocking your CPU??
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It's a 3GB 7970, I know the graphics card isn't causing the stutter as I have tried multiple GPU's to make sure it isn't the case. I haven't tried over clocking it as I've only ever had the stock fan installed (I've always been scared of installing a new fan, looks pretty hard so I never got round to doing it, stupid I know) I am looking to really give over clocking a go on my new build though.
 
BeadyRoller said:
It's a 3GB 7970, I know the graphics card isn't causing the stutter as I have tried multiple GPU's to make sure it isn't the case. I haven't tried over clocking it as I've only ever had the stock fan installed (I've always been scared of installing a new fan, looks pretty hard so I never got round to doing it, stupid I know) I am looking to really give over clocking a go on my new build though.
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I would honestly try to overclock your current CPU first if you have a suitable Z series motherboard:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i5_3570k/

That is the average overclock on HWBOT. Do you use an SSD for games?? I have and I found in some games like FO4 stuttering was reduced(especially when I had mods).

The Intel stock fan is absolutely meh,IMHO OFC,so it is worth checking that the CPU is not overheating as IB can run a bit hot.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I would honestly try to overclock your current CPU first if you have a suitable Z series motherboard:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i5_3570k/

That is the average overclock on HWBOT. Do you use an SSD for games?? I have and I found in some games like FO4 stuttering was reduced(especially when I had mods).
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I was going to give it a go but I have the money saved up now to get a new build so really want to go that route, I will need to upgrade it somewhere down the line anyway. I have tried putting Arma and a like games on my SSD and the stutter still occurs a lot.
 
BeadyRoller said:
I was going to give it a go but I have the money saved up now to get a new build so really want to go that route, I will need to upgrade it somewhere down the line anyway. I have tried putting Arma and a like games on my SSD and the stutter still occurs a lot.
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ARMA 3 is very poorly optimised - look at the benchmarks in post 4. An overclocked Core i3 7350K(BAH!),is like getting close to an overclocked Core i5 6600K.

Having said that I looked at the earlier review of the R7 1800X from PCLAB which had more CPUs,but seems to be a different custom run,it seems Ryzen is quite close to Haswell levels(or lower end SKL/KL) in the game,so is comfortably ahead of SB and IB. However,since the SKL/KL overclock better they will have the edge,but TBH as time progresses I don't know whether with newer games,the Core i5 7600K will start to hit limitations.
 
Ryzen all the way, go for the 6 core if you want to save a little bit of money or the 1700 if you you want to fit and forget for a few years.

Intel 7700K will have an advantage for now but for how long until multi-core takes more of a hold. AMD seem to be making a much bigger push to get multi threading into the mainstream, especially with them having almost complete dominance in the console market.

The gaming performance difference between 7700k and ryzen is not big enough to notice and the gap will only continue to close in the future. Plus you have an upgrade route with the next generation ryzen chips.

Pick yourself up one of 8 packs bundles and enjoy the ride.
 
BeadyRoller said:
I was going to give it a go but I have the money saved up now to get a new build so really want to go that route, I will need to upgrade it somewhere down the line anyway. I have tried putting Arma and a like games on my SSD and the stutter still occurs a lot.
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If smooth gameplay is what you are after then ryzen sounds ideal for you. Take a look at this video, I know its only GTAV but many other reviewers have also noted how smooth it is on other games. (Watch the whole thing)
 
gavinh87 said:
If smooth gameplay is what you are after then ryzen sounds ideal for you. Take a look at this video, I know its only GTAV but many other reviewers have also noted how smooth it is on other games. (Watch the whole thing)
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Those Level1Techs videos are excellent, in the previous video they did a double blind test and found that the Ryzen systems were noticeably less choppy.

 
gavinh87 said:
What a **** engine. Vulcan needs to be made mandatory
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I just hope the ancient engines these games are based on are retired sooner rather than later. These companies keep wheeling out the same old engines and adding more stuff on top,and ST performance has not moved enough forward in the industry to keep accommodating this all.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. I thought that Ryzen would have helped Arma as it had more threads etc but looks like it isn't the case (I don't know much about this sort of stuff). It's funny that I've heard off a few people now that Ryzen provides a smoother gameplay experience which is what I want first and foremost. I really don't know, I'm stuck.
 
Looking at the benchmarks an R5 1600X would be quick than your stock clocked CPU - an R7 1800X is like a third faster than a Core i5 2500K,and an R7 1600X would be around the same speed. However,a Core i5 7600K especially if overclocked would be faster still. However,as I mentioned before, longterm with newer games over the next few years,I am not sure how the Core i5 7600K will fare.
 
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