Ryzen and Gaming results.

darket · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:04

whiterabbit said:
Haven't seen these benchmarks you refer to...

I wasn't referring to any benchmarks, just to how people hyped it up to impossible levels.

Chris. · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:05

There are quite a few click bait articles slating Zen at the moment for gaming performance with no mention of any of the points put forward in this thread.

The amount of Intel fanboyism on some of these sites is unreal.

I'm still set to get Ryzen during my next upgrade so it hasn't put me off yet haha

Aretak · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:06

Electronic Dave said:
Would the difference in memory bandwidth affect gaming performance? Any benefits of quad channel (as with Intel) over dual channel?

Nah. The 7700K is also limited to dual channel memory and is king of the mountain as far as gaming performance is concerned.

Electronic Dave · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:15

Aretak said:
Nah. The 7700K is also limited to dual channel memory and is king of the mountain as far as gaming performance is concerned.

Thank you. My current AMD rig is over 8 years old, so its definitely time for a whole new system this summer. I will weigh up my options in the coming months.

Stretlow · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:16

Chris. said:
There are quite a few click bait articles slating Zen at the moment for gaming performance with no mention of any of the points put forward in this thread.

The amount of Intel fanboyism on some of these sites is unreal.

I'm still set to get Ryzen during my next upgrade so it hasn't put me off yet haha

Im not brand fixed wither way I just want the best for my money. I cant decide either way

Curlyriff · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:19

Stretlow said:
I've got GTA V (again), Resident Evil, F1, Watchdogs 2 and Fallout on the go at he moment.

Its the open world games where I struggle, when I say struggle it doesnt drop below 50fps but will go up to 90+ with most settings on ultra.

I would say you are likely from what I have seen/read so far with reviews the same performance (within a few %) as the 7700K benchmarks, lower FPS seem to be better with Ryzen as a general rule and frame pacing slightly better. You will if any of those games use more cores/threads then see more performance than the 7700K although I am not aware any of those do.

I really don't see the 1700 being the wrong choice at any point with what has been shown. At worst if the CPU lasts 3-4 years then you can still use the AM4 socket for the latest AMD CPU at that point.

Stretlow · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:28

Curlyriff said:
I would say you are likely from what I have seen/read so far with reviews the same performance (within a few %) as the 7700K benchmarks, lower FPS seem to be better with Ryzen as a general rule and frame pacing slightly better. You will if any of those games use more cores/threads then see more performance than the 7700K although I am not aware any of those do.

I really don't see the 1700 being the wrong choice at any point with what has been shown. At worst if the CPU lasts 3-4 years then you can still use the AM4 socket for the latest AMD CPU at that point.

So what your saying is a 7700k isn't going to get me a massive improvement over my 6500 (well nothing significant) but I wont get any less performance from 1700 across the board and where games do utilise more cores should see a performance improvement?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:29

Stretlow said:
So what your saying is a 7700k isn't going to get me a massive improvement over my 6500 (well nothing significant) but I wont get any less performance from 1700 across the board and where games do utilise more cores should see a performance improvement?

If I were in your boat and your motherboard can handle one,I would get a Core i7 7700 non-K. OFC,maybe wait a bit longer once AMD launches the R5 1600X first as prices should drop.

The SMT issue with Ryzen means you might as well switch it off. BW-E shows one or two situations where games can suffer with it on,but Kaby Lake does not seem to show this AFAIK.

At some point once it gets fixed Ryzen,especially the 6C/12T will be a really good gaming CPU.

Legend · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:30

So for a gamer building a new system today, what's the logical and sensible recommendation here (AMD/Intel bias aside, if that's possible)... a 1700X or 7700K? Of course, it is very much game dependent I suppose, but is there a solid argument either way? It seems very much a split decision from what I'm reading, but it's hard to separate the bias from the sense.

SiDeards73 · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:30

Just going to leave this here https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...and-discussion.2499879/page-118#post-38772680

Stretlow · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:33

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If I were in your boat and your motherboard can handle one,I would get a Core i7 7700 non-K. OFC,maybe wait a bit longer once AMD launches the R5 1600X first as prices should drop.

The SMT issue with Ryzen means you might as well switch it off. BW-E shows one or two situations where games can suffer with it on,but Kaby Lake does not seem to show this AFAIK.

At some point once it gets fixed Ryzen,especially the 6C/12T will be a really good gaming CPU.

Unfortunately my Dad is having my board CPU cooler and ram so im in for the lot

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:33

Come on guys,if you are on socket 1151 the most cost effective upgrade is to wait until AMD launches the R5 CPUs,and Intel drops some prices and get a Core i7.

Legend said:
So for a gamer building a new system today, what's the logical and sensible recommendation here (AMD/Intel bias aside, if that's possible)... a 1700X or 7700K? Of course, it is very much game dependent I suppose, but is there a solid argument either way? It seems very much a split decision from what I'm reading, but it's hard to separate the bias from the sense.

In its current state the Core i7 7700K,but once Ryzen gets the SMT fixes,and more stable BIOSes,etc things might look very different.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:35

Stretlow said:
Unfortunately my Dad is having my board CPU cooler and ram so im in for the lot

I dunno TBH - I think maybe wait a few more weeks for the R5 1600X?? It will be 6C vs 4C for the Intel Core i5 and SMT is no point in gaming for Ryzen now,until things get patched.

Curlyriff · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:36

Stretlow said:
So what your saying is a 7700k isn't going to get me a massive improvement over my 6500 (well nothing significant) but I wont get any less performance from 1700 across the board and where games do utilise more cores should see a performance improvement?

Yes from gaming reviews rather than CPU reviews which is important to note. Then it comes down to a few other things;

Do you stream while gaming?
Do you have other things open like browsers whilst gaming?
Do you do any video editing or rendering?

If you do any of the above the 1700 makes even more sense.

Then it comes down to the cost and if you want to move over from Intel to AMD.

I would like to point out I have no loyalty to either and for the last decade ran Intel but I would say AMD is the way forward this time for myself.

haszek · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:36

Legend said:
So for a gamer building a new system today, what's the logical and sensible recommendation here (AMD/Intel bias aside, if that's possible)... a 1700X or 7700K? Of course, it is very much game dependent I suppose, but is there a solid argument either way? It seems very much a split decision from what I'm reading, but it's hard to separate the bias from the sense.

I would say it depends what specs are you gaming (graphic card, res etc). You have like me 6700k so changing platform = just spending money. Doesn't have any gaming benefit as of yet (especially to me and I play 4k=0 difference, I just want new platform/build)

Legend · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:37

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Come on guys,if you are on socket 1151 the most cost effective upgrade is to wait until AMD launches the R5 CPUs,and Intel drops some prices and get a Core i7.

In its current state the Core i7 7700K,but once Ryzen gets the SMT fixes,and more stable BIOSes,etc things might look very different.

So do you think the R5 will be performance competition for the 7700K, or the 1700X with fixes? Or both?

Curlyriff · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:37

SiDeards73 said:
Just going to leave this here https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...and-discussion.2499879/page-118#post-38772680

Those mins on Doom 4k are nice to see in comparison.

Stretlow · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:38

Curlyriff said:
Yes from gaming reviews rather than CPU reviews which is important to note. Then it comes down to a few other things;

Do you stream while gaming?
Do you have other things open like browsers whilst gaming?
Do you do any video editing or rendering?

If you do any of the above the 1700 makes even more sense.

Then it comes down to the cost and if you want to move over from Intel to AMD.

I would like to point out I have no loyalty to either and for the last decade ran Intel but I would say AMD is the way forward this time for myself.

Do you stream while gaming? Nope
Do you have other things open like browsers whilst gaming? Nope
Do you do any video editing or rendering? Nope

Legend · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:38

haszek said:
I would say it depends what specs are you gaming (graphic card, res etc). You have like me 6700k so changing platform = just spending money. Doesn't have any gaming benefit as of yet (especially to me and I play 4k=0 difference, I just want new platform/build)

Personally, I'm at 3440x1440 with an eye on a 1080Ti or possibly VEGA.

Curlyriff · 3 Mar 2017 at 15:39

Stretlow said:
Do you stream while gaming? Nope
Do you have other things open like browsers whilst gaming? Nope
Do you do any video editing or rendering? Nope

No problem

those are just other advantages naturally for the 1700 as more cores means where games are not using more than 4C/8T you have the overhead there.