Safari on Leopard rendering pages slowly

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Hi,

Today I gave away my Mac Mini with Tiger loaded. I reformatted and did clean install last night to give to mate at work (not used the machine myself for ages). I set it up for him and hi wifis to an ADSL router at work and so do I. His Safari renders pages faster than mine. I thought work ADSL is slow, but it renders faster than my fast broadband connection at home (implying software not network problems).

Now I am really conscious of the 2 sec delay before loading my homepage.

so a 1.83ghz core duo with Tiger is faster than my current gen 2.5ghz MBP (both full software update), and also I come home and try out my Firefox (2.014) in my XP VM (Vmware), and that loads pages faster than Safari!! (Hadn't ever used 2 browsers in tandem like that to notice the issue!!

Finally I turn off the VM and compare my FF 2.014 on Leopard to Safari, and, you guessed it, it beats my Safari as well!

I did think I spotted this a few weeks back, but as I use same machine everyday to browse I had no tests to prove it was my machine and not ADSL. The new ADSL line and mac mini on same line proves otherwise.

I recall being visually impressed with rendering speed when the machine was new. I have added a couple of add-ons to Safari (from pimpmysafari) nothing major that should cause this (imo), like an AD blocker, Flash blocker etc.

I am relatively new to Mac OS X, but I know more than enough about networking to know it is not an ISP/router etc issue.

Any ideas what I can do to restore Safari to being "virgin" and using no add-ons etc without a reinstall? (The reinstall of Tiger was painful at near the 2 hour mark, can only imagine Leopard is worse).


rp2000
 
NickK said:
I get a pause too with Safari 3.1.1 on 10.5.3 although I'm tempted to try the Safari 4 beta..
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Interesting...

I assume it is like me, a 1-2 sec delay to load my homepage (http://google.co.uk/ig) and common pages like BBC news, facebook etc take a few secs after clicking the bookmark. I also notice it when I go back and forward in sites (slightly).

Is anyone with Leopard able to test if they have FF and Safari on the same machine? I am happy to do a are-install if others can say they don't have this issue. I have a mate with the same MBP as me (identical hardware config, bought 1 month apart) to test, when I get a chance over next few days.

Now I know the problem is not my internet connection I am annoyed (moreso if it's an addon or setting I have changed myself inadvertently!!)


rp2000
 
You could "Reset Safari" from the Safari Menu (although that will only clear caches etc)

You'd have to visit Pimpmysafari to see how to uninstall the add-ons. It sounds like they're bogging it down quite badly (Especially if you've installed the Safari 3.1 updates). I use Safari AND Firefox 3 and both run about the same speed on my Mac.
 
EVH said:
You could "Reset Safari" from the Safari Menu (although that will only clear caches etc)

You'd have to visit Pimpmysafari to see how to uninstall the add-ons. It sounds like they're bogging it down quite badly (Especially if you've installed the Safari 3.1 updates). I use Safari AND Firefox 3 and both run about the same speed on my Mac.
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Hi EVH,

yes I will do an install of FF3 later. Problem is (my own fault really) some add-ons leave visible traces like an extra panel in Safari Prefs, others don't so I have no way to recall exactly what I added. At the time I was on a mission to give up on FF so was looking for add-ons that replicate my FF setup. So I probably installed and uninstalled a few maybe in a messy way that left crap behind?

Sadly I think a clean install is my only option to eradicate all issues, although I would want my settings restored, and that in itself could re-instate my problem!!!

Edit: I definitely have something called Safari Block (like adblock for FF) installed (but disabled atm but didn't help) and also I have a setting called "Right Click Flash" which I dunno is default or something I added. My fear is I added some sort of "framework" that some apps on pimpmysafari wanted? Something like that could cause an underlying issue (guessing based on my knowledge of Windows).


rp2000
 
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Doesn't take 15 minutes to reinstall the OS. Surely the fun lies behind re-configuring everything.

It'll ultimately be quicker than restoring, as it would garauntee a fresh slate / problem-free setup :)
 
EVH said:
Doesn't take 15 minutes to reinstall the OS. Surely the fun lies behind re-configuring everything.

It'll ultimately be quicker than restoring, as it would garauntee a fresh slate / problem-free setup :)
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15 mins you say?

Tiger on the mac mini took 2 hours and involved swapping 2 dvds, of which I am pretty sure it copied the bulk of the data to the HDD which in itself would take more than 15 minutes to copy that much data from 2 DVDs to a HDD.

Leopard had 2 disks (I assume I can opt not to install some crap like GarageBand, maybe negating need for disk 2) but I still doubt it would take 15 mins (although you are the expert :) ).

If I backup my bookmarks and documents and my 20GB VM I am happy to forego all else tbh.

As you say the fun is in reconfiguring and I have not configured a great deal yet as I am still learning, which is why I am ****** off that I managed to knacker Safari.


rp2000
 
When you install the OS you can tell it to "Erase and Install".

Just select the destination, then choose "Customise" on the second screen after confirming the hard drive to install to. Deselect everything (unless you want iPhoto etc) and press OK.

I personally don't install any of the options whatsoever, and it then only runs off 1 DVD and takes 15 minutes from insert->desktop :)

If you have an external drive you could easily put documents and export bookmarks to, then just re-do the virtual machine when you need it.

If you want it to go even quicker you can also rip the DVD as an image and install it from an external drive (as per my guide in the sticky);

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9575528&postcount=14
 
If you look at the activity window alt-cmd-A then you'll see the fetches.

What's happening is that delay is an automatic call to google-analytics.com so basically apple are giving google a stream of analytical information. Although only '35 bytes' often it's the latency of the google servers that are causing the delay.
 
EVH said:
Doesn't take 15 minutes to reinstall the OS. Surely the fun lies behind re-configuring everything.
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ha! maybe for you with your drag 'n' drop applications, some of us like to hope we can spend days configuring stuff and never have to touch it again except for updates. I'd be mortified if I had to redo this laptop any time soon
 
Just an update, Safari is lightening quick now. I killed a couple of processes that began "google....." and it is now fast again. I done a reboot (which is rare as I mainly Sleep the MBP) and those processes are not back and Safaris is super quick again.

Weird.


rp2000
 
Sic said:
ha! maybe for you with your drag 'n' drop applications, some of us like to hope we can spend days configuring stuff and never have to touch it again except for updates. I'd be mortified if I had to redo this laptop any time soon
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ProTools isn't a drag and drop application, neither is the Adobe Creative Suite.

I just don't think it's a big deal when I have to reconfigure.. I usually find a setting I never knew existed when I'm re-configuring it :cool:
 
EVH said:
ProTools isn't a drag and drop application, neither is the Adobe Creative Suite.

I just don't think it's a big deal when I have to reconfigure.. I usually find a setting I never knew existed when I'm re-configuring it :cool:
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no, they're double installer apps - I'm talking about apache, php, mod_python, mysqllib, that sort of thing.
 
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