Samsung htc 6500 upgrade, samsung q930c or a dedicated avr and 5.1 system? uk

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Hello there, i am very new to the whole av receiver and speaker world, basically my current setup is;

- Samsung S90C 77 Oled

- the samsung htc 6500 5.1 blu ray surround system

- Windows 11 rtx 4070ti ryzen 5800x3d for uhd remux files, anime, tv shows etc

I was using plex to stream my content from the win11 pc to the tv but it has had issues so i started using kodi player on pc and connected the pc to the tv

Anyways, i was first looking at the sound bar samsung q930c for around £450-500ish but i thought a bit more i should probably consider a proper audio system? Any reccomendations would be appreciated, 4k vrr hdr would maybe be worth while unless i can seperate the audio and video from the pc to the tv/av system, i would do some gaming aswell as movies tbf.

i have seen these avr and speaker bundles, way more pricey than the q930c, but would it be worth the money to upgrade my system? i take it i can get losless audio from the pc to the av reciever/soundar? and would i notice a difference for non losless audio content like anime/animated shows?
thanks



https://petertyson.co.uk/denon-avr-x1700h-av-receiver-with-polk-monitor-xt15-5-1-cinema-pack



https://petertyson.co.uk/denon-avr-x1700h-av-receiver-with-q3010iav



https://www.av.com/Home-Cinema/Wharfedale-Diamond-91-HCP-51-Speaker-Package-Black/4H4M



https://petertyson.co.uk/denon-avr-x1700h-av-receiver-with-yamaha-ns-f51-5-1-speaker-pack
 
Hey
hornetstinger said:
Yes they'll offer better sound, build quality plus upgradabilty, standard components so you can change as needed.

Will this system be a buy once, never change? Or buy a 5.1 keep for a few years, upgrade, replace parts? Or another option is go stereo with a AVR, get the best stereo speakers you can get, then get the remaining speakers over time.

Those Wharfedale 9.1 are great speakers for the money. The sub is ok but little bit lacking if you want to shake the room, larger room etc and need high output (I had a SW-150)

On a good system, even audio from DVD (DTS) sounds fantastic. I can notice the difference between DTS core 1.4mb and lossy filmtracks, but it's not massive (and I have a pretty good 9.2.4 av seperates system) so I doubt you'd notice it on a starter system. I can notice it on DD as the bitrate on that is quite low 384 / 450 or something like that.


Best to go and have a few demos of various speaker brands. I don't think you can go wrong with Q Acoustics and Wharfedale. Other brands have different signature, Klipsch can be bright etc.

This forum is pretty much against audio gear haha so they'll say "go with a soundbar, that'll do pig, that'll do"

It's an enjoyable hobby and my recommendation is do upgrades in stages.

One option could be go for a higher range model, as they offer pre outs, that'll allow you to add integrated amplifiers, power amplifiers if needed. More higher end stuff, but really depends what you want in long run.

The newer models one some Denon x800 range offer Dirac upgrade, four subwoofer outputs etc, also all inputs are 8K, 4K 120hz VRR etc. I think the older x700 range just has one input or something like that (and older one needed like a supplied Denon HDMI box or something)

Checkout a few difference AVR brands, there's Yamaha as well.

Also do you want Atmos now or later? That'll increase price, needing a better AVR, possible a stereo power amplifier, more speakers, at least one height/ceiling/upfirer pair, or two pairs. You can get uprfirer, heights, or dedicated ceiling speakers. Those are from worst to best type in that order. I use height speakers.

The Q acoustics subwoofer is a bit weak also.
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Hey hornet, so i think this will be a buy once and it will hopefully last me a good while, my current room isnt the best for audio, it is a loft room approx 6m/6m, half of the room is used for my gaming pc and dart board and the other half is for the 77 inhc tv and sofa, so i dont think a super high end system would be worth my while, hence why i am looking at sub £1000 for everything ideally.
I have been happy with my over 10 year old samsung blu ray 5.1 system and i guess in comparison to the links i posted it will pale in comparison? I have just been running optical for my sound from my tv so i have never had full res audio.
The reason i am looking at upgrading from my current system is that i figured buying a samsung s90c 77 it deserves to have a adequate sound system.
I will watch a lot of remux files that have dtx/7.1 high res audio would a 5.1 system just downscale that audio but keep the high res quality?
 
hornetstinger said:
Yup 50% off so that is great.

www.hifix.co.uk

Q Acoustics 3050i Cinema Pack

Transform your entertainment space with the Q Acoustics 3050i Cinema Pack. Elevate your audio experience with superior sound quality and cutting-edge design
www.hifix.co.uk www.hifix.co.uk

Sub is weak but it'll get you going and saved so much can spend extra on avr / sub
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great deal and idea for switching the old surrounds for atmos, i am in cumbria so that is a bit far to travel, looks like a stonking deal though!
 
lucid said:
The Denon AVR-X1700 supports 120Hz 4K and VRR gaming on I think three of its HDMI sockets. It's a good choice at the money if you want to pass a PC or console through it to the TV.

You do have some other options though. With eARC on that Q90 TV, and an eARC-equipped AVR, it's possible to have a source output LPCM in up to 7.1 and send its signal to the TV first, then have the TV send the audio to the surround system. This opens up the possibility to look at older AV receivers. It also gets around TVs which won't pass DTS and DTS-HD via their eARC connections.

I would agree with Hornetstinger about the Wharfedale and Q Acoustics main being good. These British designs are evenhanded and good for music which is a bit of a trial by fire for a lot of AV speakers. Polks (an American speaker brand) tend to have a bit of a reputation for boom and tizz. Our cousins over the water are learning just how good British speakers are. Reviews in mags such as Stereophile are generally very complimentary about Wharfedale and QA.

Yamaha for speakers is more difficult to pigeonhole. At the high-end, especially for the Japanese home market, the company makes some superlative speakers. Unfortunately, the UK and Europe are home to superlative home brands by the shed load, so it's an uphill struggle trying to convince dealers and their customers that Yam high-end speakers are what they should buy instead of KEF, ATC, B&W, PMC, Tannoy, ProAc, Wison Benesch, Quad, Wharfedale etc.

Yamaha had brief moments in the sun with some fairly accessibly priced products. Back in the 80s, folk started seeing NS-M10 monitors popping up in recording studios. These were being used as nearfield monitors; speakers very close to the engineer when mixing. To the uninitiate, this was like some badge of approval. "If it's good enough for the people producing and mixing my records..." The irony was that this was the exact opposite of why they were chosen by the engineer who kicked the whole thing off. Paraphasing his words, if he could make a mix sound good on these then it would sound good on anything. The frequency response may have been all over the place, but the thing they did exceptionally well is timing.

Pro gear and Japanese home market product aside then, what that leaves us with is Yamaha's more budget oriented ranges.

Products such as the NS-P and NS-F are designed as companion products to electronics. In simpler terms, they look like good value in order to encourage someone to get their wallet out. When AV receivers were available under £250, Yamaha package a budget receiver with their NS-P
5.1 sub/sat kit. It was everything you needed for maybe £50-£100 more than a Panasonic/Samsung/LG/Sony DVD-Blu-ray home theatre kit.

The front speakers from the NS-F51 package are available as a standalone purchase for £250/pr. They came out in 2017-ish priced at £150/pr. Accepting that there's inflation and market changes, these are still made for a similar cost as when they sold for £150/pr, and cheap floorstanders are rarely a sonic bargain. Although smaller, the Wharfedales and Q Acoustics are better screwed together and cleaner sounding, albeit with a little less bass.
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apreciate the input
 
hornetstinger said:
Probably have to buy new...

Best pop into local richer sounds. I found they push Dali straight away, as they have the biggest mark up on that brand.
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Closest rs is Newcastle I think, so that might be out the window, appreciate all the help.

I'm gonna do a bit more searching tomorrow, would it be cool if I get your opinion on any more speakers I find?
Did you checkout my current speaker specs?
I assume my current setup is like a 1/10 in terms of quality, especially as I am not feeding it lossless audio, so I assume some of the sets of speakers/avrs would be an instant bump in quality?
 
hornetstinger said:
No review of that center, closest is the standmount same coaxial

www.youtube.com

FYNE F500, does it compare with KEF's LS50 Meta?

I've been itching to review a FYNE speaker for years, the F500 is the first, but probably won't the last.More info here https://www.fyneaudio.com/product/f50...
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For speaker cable get this, work out the length you'll need

KabelDirekt – Pure Copper Stereo Audio Speaker Wire & Cable – Made in Germany – 2x2.5mm² – 50m – (For Hifi Speakers and Surround Sound Systems, Pure Copper, with polarity markings)​


You'll need banana plugs also
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Like i stated, i am new to this, do i buy one lot of cable then cut to size and sttack banana plugs etc?

I am leaning towards the x1700h for £449 and then the wharfedale 9.1 package for £475 i think, nothing set in stone, i wil need 2 lots of stands too so thats gonna be another £150+ i guess, unsure which stands to get and then the cables plugs etc another £50+ so £1100 all in i guess, was thinking down the line i could maybe get a set of floor standers for my front 2 and use the standmounts placed on top of them for overhead atmos? if thats how atmos works, and maybe get another sw 150 sub for dual subs? or try selling the sw 150 and get one better sub,
Thoughts?

https://petertyson.co.uk/denon-avr-x1700h-av-receiver-with-dx2​

there is also that budle for £749 and i could maybe do a similar thing, but i guess the wharfedale 9.1 package would be better?
 
hornetstinger said:
9.1 will be better than the dx2. If you do use the 9.1 you'll need suiaby brackets to clamp on the front and back edges.

Get some string work out where the amp is trail cable where it'll be neat and in situ then add a couple of meters to have some slack.

No you don't put them on top of the floorstanders you'll have to mount 9.1 as high as possible on the wall.

If you want upfirers then you'll looking at wharfedale d3003d.

Any reason why not consider those fyne speakers?
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https://www.av.com/Furniture/Fisual-91S-6-Speaker-Floor-Stands-Blackwood-Pair/4GPI found those stands, i think they are made for the 9.1's
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hornetstinger said:
9.1 will be better than the dx2. If you do use the 9.1 you'll need suiaby brackets to clamp on the front and back edges.

Get some string work out where the amp is trail cable where it'll be neat and in situ then add a couple of meters to have some slack.

No you don't put them on top of the floorstanders you'll have to mount 9.1 as high as possible on the wall.

If you want upfirers then you'll looking at wharfedale d3003d.

Any reason why not consider those fyne speakers?
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hornetstinger said:
South Manchester,
2* Tannoy Revolution Signature DC6T Floorstanders
Review: Home review
Specs: TANNOY REVOLUTION SIGNATURE DC6T SPEAKERS (PAIR)

1* Tannoy Revolution Signature DC6-LCR Centre
Specs: TANNOY REVOLUTION SIGNATURE DC6LCR CENTRE SPEAKER (EACH)

2* Tannoy Revolution Signature DC4 Bookshelf Speakers
Review: Home review
Specs: TANNOY REVOLUTION SIGNATURE DC4 SPEAKERS (PAIR)

£600

I'd go for them, bit of a drive, but you wouldn't need to upgrade, plus in your budget.

Think you need 60 posts or something before you can access classifieds
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bloody hell, my brother has just been down to manchester yesterday!!
 
lucid said:
The Denon AVR-X1700 supports 120Hz 4K and VRR gaming on I think three of its HDMI sockets. It's a good choice at the money if you want to pass a PC or console through it to the TV.

You do have some other options though. With eARC on that Q90 TV, and an eARC-equipped AVR, it's possible to have a source output LPCM in up to 7.1 and send its signal to the TV first, then have the TV send the audio to the surround system. This opens up the possibility to look at older AV receivers. It also gets around TVs which won't pass DTS and DTS-HD via their eARC connections.

I would agree with Hornetstinger about the Wharfedale and Q Acoustics main being good. These British designs are evenhanded and good for music which is a bit of a trial by fire for a lot of AV speakers. Polks (an American speaker brand) tend to have a bit of a reputation for boom and tizz. Our cousins over the water are learning just how good British speakers are. Reviews in mags such as Stereophile are generally very complimentary about Wharfedale and QA.

Yamaha for speakers is more difficult to pigeonhole. At the high-end, especially for the Japanese home market, the company makes some superlative speakers. Unfortunately, the UK and Europe are home to superlative home brands by the shed load, so it's an uphill struggle trying to convince dealers and their customers that Yam high-end speakers are what they should buy instead of KEF, ATC, B&W, PMC, Tannoy, ProAc, Wison Benesch, Quad, Wharfedale etc.

Yamaha had brief moments in the sun with some fairly accessibly priced products. Back in the 80s, folk started seeing NS-M10 monitors popping up in recording studios. These were being used as nearfield monitors; speakers very close to the engineer when mixing. To the uninitiate, this was like some badge of approval. "If it's good enough for the people producing and mixing my records..." The irony was that this was the exact opposite of why they were chosen by the engineer who kicked the whole thing off. Paraphasing his words, if he could make a mix sound good on these then it would sound good on anything. The frequency response may have been all over the place, but the thing they did exceptionally well is timing.

Pro gear and Japanese home market product aside then, what that leaves us with is Yamaha's more budget oriented ranges.

Products such as the NS-P and NS-F are designed as companion products to electronics. In simpler terms, they look like good value in order to encourage someone to get their wallet out. When AV receivers were available under £250, Yamaha package a budget receiver with their NS-P
5.1 sub/sat kit. It was everything you needed for maybe £50-£100 more than a Panasonic/Samsung/LG/Sony DVD-Blu-ray home theatre kit.

The front speakers from the NS-F51 package are available as a standalone purchase for £250/pr. They came out in 2017-ish priced at £150/pr. Accepting that there's inflation and market changes, these are still made for a similar cost as when they sold for £150/pr, and cheap floorstanders are rarely a sonic bargain. Although smaller, the Wharfedales and Q Acoustics are better screwed together and cleaner sounding, albeit with a little less bass.
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how does the lpcm work?i dont know what lpcm is tbh, this is what it says on rtings about the s90c's audio
This Samsung S90C supports many audio formats, including many Dolby Digital options. Unfortunately, it doesn't support DTS formats, which is disappointing, as many UHD Blu-rays use DTS for their lossless audio tracks.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s90c-oled check it out
 
hornetstinger said:
LPCM is Linear Pulse Code Modulation, basically the same as what is on CD. It's typically stereo, but can also be multi channel (over HDMI) lossless audio.

If you use E-ARC you need to ensure your TV passses all sound codecs, If not then all you'll get is stereo
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gotcha, unsure if it does, says on rtings this;
Audio Passthrough
ARC/eARC Port
eARC

eARC: Dolby Atmos Over Dolby Digital Plus
Yes

eARC: Dolby Digital Plus 7.1
Yes

eARC: LPCM 7.1 Over Dolby MAT
Yes

eARC: Dolby TrueHD 7.1
Yes

eARC: DTS:X Over DTS-HD MA
No

eARC: DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
No

eARC: LPCM Channels (Bitstream)
7.1

ARC: Dolby Digital 5.1
Yes

ARC: DTS 5.1
No

Optical: Dolby Digital 5.1
Yes

Optical: DTS 5.1
No

This Samsung S90C supports many audio formats, including many Dolby Digital options. Unfortunately, it doesn't support DTS formats, which is disappointing, as many UHD Blu-rays use DTS for their lossless audio tracks.
sorry for the format
 
hornetstinger said:
Yeah so doe any dts material it'll just be stereo, then the soundbar will expand that.

Won't be as good as native discrete audio. It'll be ok, but I can easily tell difference between native and pcm up mixed
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so if i have it wired up like this pc hdmi > avr hdmi> tv i will get the full audio. that will eliminate the need for earc?

also i am debating now to just go for a 3.1 system to start with, thoughts?
 
tbh i will just be using the avr/speakes for movie nights, general tv, anime watching, some gaming on my pc and my friends switch/xbox if they bring it around
 
hornetstinger said:

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thoughts on these,



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Fyne Audio F500C (Black Oak)

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denon x1700h £382
Fyne Audio F303 Floorstanding £424
Fyne Audio F500c £199
fyne audio sub?

would mixing the l/r 300 series with the 500c center be okay?
ebay are doing a 15%/£75 off deal atm on audio stuff, anything else i should be looking at?
 
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would need a center too, which ever matches it,
 
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lucid said:
I've read that some of the Klipsch subs are not that great. Sluggish, and lacking bite. Might be worth reading up a bit more on the Klipsch before jumping in.
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hey thanks for the reply, i was more so meaning the speakers, thoughts on them?
 
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