Caporegime
This mentality is going to be the downfall of humanity over the coming decades... Before we know it we will be under 24/7 surveillance inside our own homes.
Samsung TV hack. Wikileaks reveal
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This mentality is going to be the downfall of humanity over the coming decades... Before we know it we will be under 24/7 surveillance inside our own homes.
Not worrying at all. Do people really think these government agencies would waste time and money listening in on any old random person? They will try to listen in on people already suspected of something, most likely terrorism related, which is 100% fine with me.
Caporegime
That is bad enough.
I don't want to feel like I'm not allowed to make dark jokes with my friends which might contain various buzzwords in-case the people inside the TV come to get me.
I don't want to feel like I'm not allowed to make dark jokes with my friends which might contain various buzzwords in-case the people inside the TV come to get me.
If they could they would, obviously nobody would actually be sitting there listening, everything would be automated and they just pickup key words and record when triggered.
I don't think they can hack them remotely, so unless we see evidence of that it's not really an issue., just a useful tool for intelligence services, bugging a room has probably never been so easy.
And what about when a CIA/GCHQ employee who knows you decides to tap your phone/TV for a laugh? Or because he has a thing for your wife and wants some ammunition to break you up so he can get with her? This already happened with the NSA, employees were caught using these sort vulnerabilities for personal purposes on former lovers. Also, what happens when these tools get out into the wild, as they inevitably will, and a paedophile ring decides to have a go at putting these things on your TV so they can watch your kids? What if some appalling individual like Donald Trump becomes president, and has no compunction about using these tools for his own purposes?
You can't control security vulnerabilities. If they exist, you have to assume that any competent individual can replicate the results, or just steal the code (as has happened here), and use them for whatever purposes they want. If the CIA, NSA and the rest had any level of common sense, or any concept of duty of care towards the citizens, they would work with the manufacturers to close these vulnerabilities rather than seeking to benefit from them.
With some of the posts you make on hear I think its entirely likely this is taking place right now.
*cough* https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/24323487/
People I know all said I was nuts/conspiracy theorist whenever I mentioned this.
People I know all said I was nuts/conspiracy theorist whenever I mentioned this.
Soldato
LOL, that pretty much describes my household as well. They could perhaps use it for torture purposes in future interrogations XD
People who say stuff like that don't deserve the freedom bestowed on them. You don't even realise how lucky you are living in one of the most free countries in the world.
Also, you have nothing to hide now, but what if the goal posts change and in the future what you did in your private life suddenly becomes illegal? Would you still be saying the same thing and be happy to be carted off? I suspect not
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This. Exactly this.
The old "I ain't doing nout so feel free" argument is such a non point.
Caporegime
Quite.
Soldato
Do these TVs have microphones built in or are they repurposing the speakers ?
Microphones, they respond to voice commands.
Soldato
I cant wait for ad companies to abuse this as a feature: live automated targeting adverts. When it approaches an advert, the mic is switched on to pick up keywords that adverts are tagged with. These adverts are then shown to the viewer during the break.
Effects this will cause:
People who watch soaps will be subjected a variety of Tea adverts
People who watch sports would be subjected to the latest and most obscenely titled porn trailers due to the vulgarities shouted in the last 2 minutes of whatever sports game they are watching.
The new generation of teenage boys will figure this out quickly enough and will shout a variety of lingerie brands prior to commercial breaks in the hope of viewing some lovely models.
Effects this will cause:
People who watch soaps will be subjected a variety of Tea adverts
People who watch sports would be subjected to the latest and most obscenely titled porn trailers due to the vulgarities shouted in the last 2 minutes of whatever sports game they are watching.
The new generation of teenage boys will figure this out quickly enough and will shout a variety of lingerie brands prior to commercial breaks in the hope of viewing some lovely models.
There are already rumours that this sort of thing goes on, I know there were concerns about the Facebook app on iPhones having the ability to use the microphone. Some people reported that they had conversations - not on the phone, just near the phone - about a certain topic, and shortly thereafter received an advert in their FB feed about the same thing.
It was probably just a coincidence, and Facebook denied having the capability, but it's certainly technically possible and I have no doubt sooner or later we'll see this sort of thing become commonplace.
Soldato
No. They listen in on everyone. This already happens - txts, emails, browsing history. This enables retro-active searching should someone become a problem. People who say "I have nothing to hide" are showing very limited imagination. No, you may not be harmed if you are listened in on and you don't care that you are listened in on. But firstly, you don't have to be personally harmed yourself to care about harm being done. There is such a thing as caring for others. Secondly, whilst spying on you may not lead to any demonstrable harm, spying on an entire society does. It allows easy pressure on dissidents and government critics and whistleblowers. It allows suppression and division of the politically active. It grants massive power to the state and diminishes the power of the public in equal amount. Is there anyone who thinks increasing the power of the state at the expense of the people is not a bad thing?
And yet some people still put their nose to the ground and say "I don't see any problem. I have nothing to hide."
Soldato
I think they have quite a bit of invested interest in knowing whats going on in every cm of the world.
No they wont sit and listen to everything, thats why we have AI, automated systems, that trigger on key words, and whatever else. knowledge is power, getting that "knowledge"/data would be pretty nice.
The worrying thing with all this CIa stuff I suppose isn't they can/have been doing this, it's that apparently its not under their control anymore.
Is there any proof of this? All this leak has revealed is that they have the capabilty to use these hacks, not that they are using them on every device possible.
Sounds very tin foil hat to me
Soldato
I dont doubt that there is the capability but it simply would not be worth it for Facebook to listen in on audio recordings So they can slightly up the cost of their advert services because they switched from a targeted ad model which uses your browsing history to one that uses a microphone to pick up words.
TV will probably have targeted advertising in the future which focuses in on the individual customer in much the same way as facebooks current ad system does, by showing you ads which related to previous browsing on the device. They could do this by making all TV come from TV streaming and requiring a log in which would assign your searches and interests to the login profile which would be required to access your free/purchased TV package.