SAMSUNG VS OCZ

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Everyone seems to be saying that the Samsung SSD's are the best available.

i was just curious as to why the samsung SSD's are better than others. i have been looking into getting the OCZ agility and was wondering is the samsung really that much better.
 
Samsung aren't the best SSDs around, but they offer great performance/price. More importantly, they appear to be very reliable and compatible.

Agility 3's use the infamous Sandforce 2281 controller, source of endless problems with many drives/manufacturers. They use the cheaper Async NAND (Samsung uses the best Toggle NAND), hence the Samsung wins 9/10 real-world benchmarks.

Agility/Vertex 4's have moved away from Sandforce, and are a better bet, although it's too soon to say for sure. Just avoid Sandforce.
 
from my research samsung are meant to be one of the best - reliable, and the only ssd manufacturer that make their drives from the ground up. this means design, components, and firmware. ocz overall seems to be less trustworthy in terms of drive reliability, though this varies depending on model
 
Here we go again.. Sandforce controllers are the work of the devil! They had an issue a while back with the Vertex 3 drives which was resolved with a firmware update. But hey the Crucial drives don't use Sandforce so I guess they are great and never fail.
 
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same here,no issues at all with my corsair (sandforce controlled)force gt

they all come with warranty's,dont throw all the drives out, give them a chance
 
Here we go again.. Sandforce controllers are the work of the devil! They had an issue a while back with the Vertex 3 drives which was resolved with a firmware update. But hey the Crucial drives don't use Sandforce so I guess they are great and never fail.

lol... i know they're supposed to have fixed sf problems but apparently they still suffer something called a first-write degradation, and some ocz drives in particular still seem to have reliability/motherboard compatibility issues to this day. all i know is i never read a bad thing about the samsung 830
 
Sandforce drives also seem to handle compressed data poorly due to the way it deals with data, so with the Samsung you should get better speeds with certain files.
 
I'm not jumping on the Sandforce-hating bandwagon just because millions of other people have, it's from personal experience with my Intel 520 (probably the best performing and extensively tested SF-2281 SSD). And I'm not saying that every user will have problems with every Sandforce drive. But compared to non-SF SSDs, a much larger number will. So as far as OS drives go, to avoid playing russian roulette with your system stability, avoid Sandforce.

I know it's hardly scientific, but I googled "?????? problems" :
Crucial M4 : 2.58 million
Samsung 830 : 3.87 million
Intel 520 : 15.4 million
Vertex 3 : 18.9 million

This is more statistically valid :

http://www.behardware.com/articles/862-7/components-returns-rates-6.html

Crucial 0.82%
Intel 1.73%
Corsair 2.93%
OCZ 7.03%

I'm guessing Samsung would be close to Crucial, as they have a history of relability in enterprise systems and Mac/OEM laptops.


To summarise : Probably avoid OCZ, and definitely avoid Sandforce.
 
The thing with the Sandforce is it wasn't a small problem it was a problem for like 6 months after it launched till it was fixed, which is also why the OCZ RMA numbers are worthless because they were first out with Sandforce, and sell a higher volume than most of the others, but all the other companies that made them had the same issues, Intel included. The worse thing is OCZ released something not blind, but early as they often do, and a lot of their users know they are almost beta testers, they've built a reputation and following on people liking OCZ giving them first shot at new controllers/tech/memory. But that means most of the other companies knew about the bluescreen issue and still launched their stuff, OCZ did it stupidly before it was fully known about , Corsair, and the rest have no such excuse, Intel released theirs around the time the fix was done.

In terms of RMA, there are some worrying threads on Intel forums and elsewhere about I think its 320's dying by the bucketload, with dozens of people having 3-4 drives fail. Haven't read any more about it, could be a specific combination of parts causing it and everyone else is fine.

Samsung are the best cheapest drive, Vertex 4's are faster, but cost significantly more, Vertex 3 might be marginally faster but was also more expensive most of the time. THe agility is async memory which in particular suffers from worse performance as the drive fills up, sync memory ssd's have the issue but it seems less bad, pushing 70-80% capacity reduces performance, async ones it seems to occur at 40-50% which.... well paying for 256gb and having the ability to only use half of that at full speed is a con, all to save £5-10, Agilitys aren't worth it.

Crucial are great, Samsungs are great, with no particular downside, but Samsungs were noticeably cheaper for a long time, first drives to hit the £140/256gb mark and do it frequently.
 
drunkmaster makes some very good points.

Interestingly if you read the bit at the bottom of the article that DennisMenace points to. Also an interesting read (thanks for linking to this)...

Quote.. "...Note that over the coming period, the Vertex 3s are doing much better thanks to developments in the firmware, with a rate of just 1.01% for the Vertex 3 120 GB as things stand."
 
So OCZ agility VS samsung SSD's

summary = get Samsung SSD

are there any makes that are better than Samsung then ?
 
Unluckily even the Intel Sandforce based drives have also had a few problems!

To a certain extent, you pays your money and takes your chance. A bit like life in general really ;)
 
I have a Vertex 2E which is a few years old now and more recently I picked up an Intel 330 series. Both use Sandforce controllers and I've had no issues to date. Of course the same can't be said for everyone but hey..
 
So OCZ agility VS samsung SSD's

summary = get Samsung SSD

are there any makes that are better than Samsung then ?

The Samsung over the Agility always but not because of the Sandforce issue from 'last year', moreso the el cheapo nand used.

Crucial too no problems with my M4.
 
I have a Vertex 2E which is a few years old now and more recently I picked up an Intel 330 series. Both use Sandforce controllers and I've had no issues to date. Of course the same can't be said for everyone but hey..

Indeed.

Same experience as your good self... My original Vertex 2 drive now resides in my old laptop and the Vertex 2E that replaced it as my boot drive, has now been relegated to a data drive and in turn replaced by a Vertex 4. And all drives have performed faultlessly. As you say, just a shame that's not been everyone's experience.
 
Crucial are great, Samsungs are great, with no particular downside, but Samsungs were noticeably cheaper for a long time, first drives to hit the £140/256gb mark and do it frequently.

What I saw was m4 was usually cheaper than 830s, by small margin.

As said above, I'd avoid ocz. Either m4 or 830 is good for ur money as long as stability in concerned.
 
My vertex 4 has been running flawless since i bought it about a month or so ago. No issues installing, firmware updated instantly, blistering fast and have not had a single BSOD. :)
 
I got one of the samsungs when it dropped to below 140 quid / 256gb mark on here very happy with it no problems and fast as hell.

What id like to add to all of this is go for reliability above all else, realistically all the current gen ssd's are within 10% of each other more often than not 2-3% performance difference depending on task and at these speeds compared to mechanicals any drive is going to feel quick. Benchmarks aside if you did a blind back to back tests on the samsung, crucial, ocz, corsair and intel with day to day stuff like startup times and loading times id be very surprised if you could tell a noticeable difference between them all
 
What id like to add to all of this is go for reliability above all else, realistically all the current gen ssd's are within 10% of each other more often than not 2-3% performance difference depending on task and at these speeds compared to mechanicals any drive is going to feel quick. Benchmarks aside if you did a blind back to back tests on the samsung, crucial, ocz, corsair and intel with day to day stuff like startup times and loading times id be very surprised if you could tell a noticeable difference between them all

I think most people that have had a couple of SSD's would tend to agree with you. Can't say that I've even noticed much (any?) going from a Vertex 2E to a Vertex 4.
 
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