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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-58845776

Farmer's emotional plea to PM to 'save our bacon'
Farmer's emotional plea to PM to 'save our bacon'
A British pig farmer has told the BBC that there not enough abattoir staff to humanely slaughter her pigs.

"We are in the worst position that UK agriculture has ever found itself," Kate Morgan said.

"Come and speak to me, Boris Johnson, have the guts to stand up and talk to us."

The government has said it is working with the industry to find sustainable solutions and that it is right to challenge businesses to pay higher wages and invest in skills.
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Is there a way to embed the video from BBC ? I don't think so, would be cool if there was

But instead of crying about having to cull the pigs and throw away the bodies, why can't they either keep the pigs alive until a time comes they can be slaughtered or just send the culled pigs to the butchers ? If there's people able to kill them on the farm, surely they could just kill them in the slaughter houses and the problem is solved ? :confused:

I'm also surprised supremo butcher Boris isn't coming up with a slogan to get everybody losing their £20 universal credit bonus to retrain as butchers
 
IIRC if an animal isn't killed in an abbatoir it can't be sold for human consumption (I could be wrong though)
I find the whole thing quite grim, but I am going off meat rapidly. The whole industry is pretty disgusting.
You'd have to be a certain sort of person to work in an abbatoir.
 
Uther said:
IIRC if an animal isn't killed in an abbatoir it can't be sold for human consumption (I could be wrong though)
I find the whole thing quite grim, but I am going off meat rapidly. The whole industry is pretty disgusting.
You'd have to be a certain sort of person to work in an abbatoir.
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Just be a demitarian or a flexitarian.

I don't eat meat that often. But I do love beef too much to give it up.
 
Food is 2/3rds of the cost of raising a pig.

Obviously they budget to feed them for a certain amount of time before they go off to be slaughtered for food.

However, if they can't take them off to slaughter then they still have to feed them and suddenly it's costing more for the pig than it'll be worth at a butchers market.

Just another Brexit bonus - pointlessly killing animals that won't even feed anybody.
 
Haven't a number of these political activist farmers been outed as proven liars when it comes to job vacancies?
 
Uther said:
IIRC if an animal isn't killed in an abbatoir it can't be sold for human consumption (I could be wrong though)
I find the whole thing quite grim, but I am going off meat rapidly. The whole industry is pretty disgusting.
You'd have to be a certain sort of person to work in an abbatoir.
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My philosophy is only eating creatures I would be okay with killing, was taught how to fish growing up so I'm okay eating fish & seafood, insects too but anything else I don't think I could kill so I won't eat their meat

The easy solution to the pig problem is bring in the army, seems an awful waste of creatures to just destroy them and not take anything from their death
 
Minusorange said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-58845776



Is there a way to embed the video from BBC ? I don't think so, would be cool if there was

But instead of crying about having to cull the pigs and throw away the bodies, why can't they either keep the pigs alive until a time comes they can be slaughtered or just send the culled pigs to the butchers ? If there's people able to kill them on the farm, surely they could just kill them in the slaughter houses and the problem is solved ? :confused:

I'm also surprised supremo butcher Boris isn't coming up with a slogan to get everybody losing their £20 universal credit bonus to retrain as butchers
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1. Has to be killed in an abattoir if going for human consumption. In the old days we used to get the local butcher in and he would butcher the pigs and take so much meat as his payment and left us with the rest. Not allowed anymore.
2. abattoirs will only accept pigs up to a maximum certain size. After that they are too big for the machines/processing/packaging and the supermarkets wont accept the meat.
3. Obviously profit comes into it as well even if they could be killed for food when bigger as they would take a lot more food to keep them alive to that size but thats by the by, I am sure any pig farmer would take that reduced profit if they could compared to killing them on the farm and getting nothing.
4. Training new staff takes time, these pigs need to go to slaughter this week. Next week there will be similar numbers again. Retraining UC people will take years.

Minusorange said:
My philosophy is only eating creatures I would be okay with killing, was taught how to fish growing up so I'm okay eating fish & seafood, insects too but anything else I don't think I could kill so I won't eat their meat

The easy solution to the pig problem is bring in the army, seems an awful waste of creatures to just destroy them and not take anything from their death
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I didnt realise the army had trained butchers?
 
Minusorange said:
How difficult can it be to strip bits of pig with a knife ? Obviously not a high skilled job, otherwise the people Brexit removed from the country would still be doing it :)
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It is skilled actually. Most people would make mincemeat of it :)

But defined by the govt as unskilled no doubt because it doesn't involve a degree or pay over £50k per annum. Hence why they wont issue visas for them

Sure people can be trained to do it, the vast majority of people can be but how do you get them to go and butcher pigs when they can have an much nicer job picking caullowers for £65k per annum?

What salary do you see a slaughterman at?
 
The pay to slaughter livestock is obviously not competitive with the urge for certain members of UK society to knife and shoot each other over illegal narcotic sale territories, for free.

The Greens and BMA should be pleased by this, they constantly tell us not to eat meat at all. or certainly so much meat, especially processed meat like bacon and ham.
 
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Minusorange said:
why can't they either keep the pigs alive until a time comes they can be slaughtered
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That costs money (food and if over the winter, fuel to keep them warm as well - that's if the barn even has the facility to be heated, most don't).

or just send the culled pigs to the butchers ? If there's people able to kill them on the farm, surely they could just kill them in the slaughter houses and the problem is solved ? :confused:
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Butchers don't have the capacity to do this (they generally do not remove blood, entrails, hearts, lungs, brains etc - this is done at the abattoir) and this also probably wouldn't meet the required standards for animal welfare and food hygiene.
 
bojo can just reduce food standards to fix the issue.

Who wants to work in an abattoir :S seeing death daily and becoming depressed
 
They may as well go out of business now to be honest rather than wait until the TTIP or whatever they eventually call it, is signed. As soon as the US mega farms have access it's curtains anyway. They may as well retrain now in cyber or whatever.
 
The laws on on farm slaughter have changed in recent times, making it illegal for on farm slaughter to take place unless solely for the carcass to be eaten by the owner of the beast or his immediate family living on the farm. Burial of waste products on the farm is illegal save in genuinely remote areas. These law changes have made it extremely difficult for the small holder to eat his own livestock, culled on their own smallholding.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/home-slaughter-of-livestock

Culling humanely aside, butchering the beast is difficult if you want to avoid waste, a LOT of waste, then the bulk of the beast needs freezing unless you have a huge family living on the farm, with an immediate and prodigious appetite ;)
 
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