Save the NHS!

Dolph said:
If the public, the media and the opposition could be trusted to evaluate the information appropriately and in context, then I would agree.

However, the public, as a collective, are idiots, the media feed the idiots and Labour are completely dishonest, so there is no value in publishing information when the only reason the vast majority of people asking for it want is it to misrepresent it.

A risk register is not a prediction of what will happen or anything of the sort, and it's already clear that too many people simply do not understand that.

Information is worthless without the knowledge and will to interpret it correctly, after all.
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The public, as a collective, are idiots, because they're treated like children. Government should release all information paid for by out tax immediately, as this is our information and should be treated as such like any other Employee/Employer relationship. Any other suggestion is authoritative, and flies in the face of pretty much everything else you say you believe in.

The only plausible exemption are that of the military wing, and even then a defensive force doesn't parciularly need the information protections as we wouldn't have people on missions in other countries, except under direct declarations of war.

The time to education the public with information is long overdue.
 
scorza said:
Ah well in brave new world for the NHS, wealthy diabetics will be able to afford to pay for the regular checks they need, non-wealthy diabetics - who cares right? They have no money.
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Do you mean the fatso's who acquired it all on their own?
A basically preventable disease?

Or the poor folks born with it?
I wish both diseases had completely separate names.
 
Do you know how many diabetics (type II) just refuse to be bothered to go to their GPs? Do you know how many just can't be ***** to take their medications? And do you know how many get referrals to local hospitals, only for them to not turn up?

These are the people who then fall off the system, turn up 3 years later with loads of complications, then get admitted, get lots of expensive treatment and surgery, then die.

I don't blame the NHS for that. I accept that the NHS may fail some people, but it's run by humans. The Guardian article is misleading and sensationalist.
 
The NHS is an amazing thing and something we should all be thoroughly proud of, I know I certainly am.
A few years back my nephew had to have a fairly minor Op and was sent to Great Ormond Street Hospital for it, when poor people are being treated by doctors that multi millionaires bring their children too then you know society is on the right path!

In a civilized, compassionate and caring society the quality of your treatment should NEVER depend on your bank balance and the NHS helps to achieve this massively imo.

I challenge anyone to watch just one episode of the documentary on at the moment about Great Ormond Street and get to the end of it with either dry eyes or utter amazement at the brilliance of the work carried out there!
The doctors/nurses there and up and down the U.K are the TRUE heroes in our society!
 
Dolph said:
... I presume the 24k unnecessary deaths among diabetic caused by the failures of the nhs ...
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Every diabetic is meant to undergo nine care processes each year, such as having blood pressure, blood glucose and cholesterol levels measured, eyes examined for damage to the retina, and the skin, circulation and nerve supply of feet checked, to reduce the risk of complications.
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What makes you so certain that they weren't a result of "No shows" and/or simple indifference and negligence by diabetics?

In your libertarian world, how would you deal with "No shows"?
 
joxang said:
Do you know how many diabetics (type II) just refuse to be bothered to go to their GPs? Do you know how many just can't be ***** to take their medications? And do you know how many get referrals to local hospitals, only for them to not turn up?

These are the people who then fall off the system, turn up 3 years later with loads of complications, then get admitted, get lots of expensive treatment and surgery, then die.

I don't blame the NHS for that. I accept that the NHS may fail some people, but it's run by humans. The Guardian article is misleading and sensationalist.
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checks article to see if the author is stockhausen........................
 
stockhausen said:
What makes you so certain that they weren't a result of "No shows" and/or simple indifference and negligence by diabetics?

In your libertarian world, how would you deal with "No shows"?
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No shows are no shows, but a system that is far less monopolist and far more patient focused would be more likely to work to address the problem through changing appointment practices and so on, because there is an incentive to treating people, as opposed to the NHS where the current setup creates an incentive to not treat them.
 
Doctors vote in favour of industrial action

A majority of doctors have voted in favour of taking industrial action over changes to their pensions. The British Medical Association balloted more than 104,000 medics across the UK on the government's plans which it claims are unfair.
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The union's leadership will confirm its plans later, having previously ruled out a full-out strike. However, the ballot does give the union a mandate for one, but instead it has already said it will target non-urgent care.
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If action is taken it will be the first time since 1975 that doctors have taken such a step. (BBC online)
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GPs were the lowest in numbers to support industrial action; most GPs to whom I have spoken voted not to take action, a few didn't return their ballot papers. I wonder whether they will follow the line requested by the BMA? I suspect not or that if they do, it will be with the utmost reluctance.
 
GP's are killing the NHS, ridiculously overpaid, overqualified and underpracticed. Years training them to do a job the majority of them never even come close to doing. 7 years learning how to treat hundreds, thousands of conditions, surgery rotations, emergency rotations, etc, etc, and the majority of GP's won't do anything beyond CP for the rest of their career's.

Then Labour massively overpay them, then they are too selfish to merely be overpaid by a pretty massive amount so decide to take action over the ridiculous government pensions being cut back because the country can't ******* afford them. At least good that GP's were the lowest in numbers to support it but, they are still the biggest problem. Plenty of other doctors getting way too much as well.

As bad as benefits leechers, once someone gets something, because they WERE entitled to it through some massive mistakes in policy, people come to think of that as the baseline of what they deserve and complain through the teeth.

We can't afford the pensions the public sector threw out, 50% leaving pay as a pension + a payout is just, unsustainable, especially with doctors who will retire usually on a VERY healthy salary.
 
GPs are paid a lot and a few are overpaid but as someone who works with them every day I can honestly say that I couldn't do their job, I'm neither intelligent enough or caring enough to do so.

Dont' get me wrong, they're not all caring and not all intelligent but a vast majority are and I have a huge amount of respect for them.

However they are never wrong, as the government will find out should any spending mistakes happen over the enormous budget they're about to be given control of.
 
Record fall in 'NHS satisfaction'

Public satisfaction with the NHS has dropped by a record amount, the British Social Attitudes Survey suggests. The poll indicates satisfaction fell from 70% to 58% last year - the largest annual drop since it started in 1983.

The King's Fund think-tank sponsored the NHS questions put to more than 1,000 people and said their answers appeared to be a comment on reforms and spending squeezes and not care quality.

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Professor John Appleby, chief economist at the King's Fund, said the poll was important because it had tracked satisfaction over such a long period of time.

"It is not surprising this has happened when the NHS is facing a well-publicised spending squeeze. Nevertheless, it is something of a shock that it has fallen so significantly. This will be a concern to the government given it appears to be closely linked with the debate on its NHS reforms". (BBC online)
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Let's hope the electorate remembers this ideological Tory attack on the NHS and punishes them at the next General Election.
 
stockhausen said:
Let's hope the electorate remembers this ideological Tory attack on the NHS and punishes them at the next General Election.
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...and a similar poll taken from people who had recently used the NHS still had high satisfaction. all the poll you quote tells us is about a very small sample of the populations sentiment about the NHS which is largely down to how the media portrays it rather than how it actually runs.
 
mikeh501 said:
...and a similar poll taken from people who had recently used the NHS still had high satisfaction. all the poll you quote tells us is about a very small sample of the populations sentiment about the NHS which is largely down to how the media portrays it rather than how it actually runs.
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Correct, the poll the BBC and Guardian keep banging on about was based on 1000 people who were stopped in the street, most of whom would have no experience of the NHS under the coalition or been in a hospital for years.

Given the small sample size and how it was carried out, I wouldn't be surprised if the questions weren't very leading also.
 
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