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starscream said:
He can't be acused of racism for just repeating statistics if that is the case. It is only certain interpretations of these statistics that would make his comments racist. As a couple of people have said above, prisoner statistics are meaningless and it is impossible link criminal behaviour to race alone. As well as poverty levels being higher amounst minority groups, discrimination and lack of opertunity compared to majority groups is still present. Black people are still 8 times more likely to be stopped and searched than whites, so it natural for more arrests to be made. Reports still suggest our police force has a long way to go to stamp out institutional racism.
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It might or might not be true that blacks are stopped and searched more often than whites. BUT if they did not do anything wrong, is there any reason for the police to actually detain them? I'm afraid not. How can it be natural that more arrests are made if they did not even do anything wrong in the first place? In the first place, even if they did get searched etc, they shouldn't even break the law.
 
Lolcb said:
I believe I live in the UK. Correct me if I am wrong, is it not true that majority of the population here are whites?
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I've seen the figures published recently, think it was something like 90% white which I find staggering as someone who lives in London. There's been times when I thought I'd got on a bus to Lagos by mistake.
 
Goatboy said:
I've seen the figures published recently, think it was something like 90% white which I find staggering as someone who lives in London. There's been times when I thought I'd got on a bus to Lagos by mistake.
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I think it's because London is probably one of the few cities with so many races. Cause I remember reading somewhere the population of whites here in UK is pretty high, that is why I find it weird how a minority can have 5 times more criminals.
 
Lolcb said:
Does poverty gives right to human to commit crimes?

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But at the end of the day, can we really blame poverty as the real reason?
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No, but it explains it. Nothing justifies crime, but poverty certainly seems to cause it and has done for a very long time in just about every society. The fact that poverty doesn't justify crime is simply irrelevant in this argument unless you have some proof that black and white crime rates amongst similar poor groups are different.


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Lolcb said:
It might or might not be true that blacks are stopped and searched more often than whites. BUT if they did not do anything wrong, is there any reason for the police to actually detain them? I'm afraid not. How can it be natural that more arrests are made if they did not even do anything wrong in the first place? In the first place, even if they did get searched etc, they shouldn't even break the law.
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Put it this way

You have 100 blacks and 10 whites, 10 of each are carrying a small amount of cannabis

Given the ratio of stop to search, the likelyhood is that the police would only find 2 or less whites, but 7-9 blacks.
 
starscream said:
Put it this way

You have 100 blacks and 10 whites, 10 of each are carrying a small amount of cannabis

Given the ratio of stop to search, the likelyhood is that the police would only find 2 or less whites, but 7-9 blacks.
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Sounds like a waste of resources to me, unless the blacks happened to be more likely to committ crime...

although I don't think stop and search can explain the entire inequality in the statistics
 
Haha not surprised they called him racist, its the one thing this countries government seems to be, feared of being branded racists. It's stupid really, I mean talk about freedom of speach, of course ethnics and whatnot can demonstrate against us but if we do one thing BAM...racist.

Not surprised about that statistic considering if you have checked out the news lately.
 
starscream said:
Put it this way

You have 100 blacks and 10 whites, 10 of each are carrying a small amount of cannabis

Given the ratio of stop to search, the likelyhood is that the police would only find 2 or less whites, but 7-9 blacks.
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Put it this way, if none of the black commits a crime, the likelyhood of a black getting caught is 0 and whites 2-3.
 
Meridian said:
No, but it explains it. Nothing justifies crime, but poverty certainly seems to cause it and has done for a very long time in just about every society. The fact that poverty doesn't justify crime is simply irrelevant in this argument unless you have some proof that black and white crime rates amongst similar poor groups are different.


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Lets put it this way, chinese are considered minority too and some of them are living in poverty, why didn't they go out and just stab someone in the chest and grabbing their possession?
 
Lolcb said:
Lets put it this way, chinese are considered minority too and some of them are living in poverty, why didn't they go out and just stab someone in the chest and grabbing their possession?
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Where did you get the info that they didn't? You do know we have triads in this country don't you?
 
Lolcb said:
Compared to the ratio of other races committing crime?
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Obviously, but if their were tons of chinese then you would have a higher ratio of crime, even though the chinese are in general good people, don't complain and whine and go against the country (muslims). See Chinese and Japanese come to this country but they in general keep to themself and abide by our rules. Muslims are the ones that come here and kick stuff up, I hate that.

Anyway considering parts of England like Birmingham are full of blacks, blacks mainly now, and so they fight with the asians, its kind of like teritory wars.
 
Macabre said:
Obviously, but if their were tons of chinese then you would have a higher ratio of crime, even though the chinese are in general good people, don't complain and whine and go against the country (muslims). See Chinese and Japanese come to this country but they in general keep to themself and abide by our rules. Muslims are the ones that come here and kick stuff up, I hate that.

Anyway considering parts of England like Birmingham are full of blacks, blacks mainly now, and so they fight with the asians, its kind of like teritory wars.
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Thats what I am trying to say mate, the fact is the amount of black population in UK compared to whites is basically " pffft " and yet they are able to commit 5 times more crimes.
 
Goatboy said:
I think operation trident says they are.
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Er - Operation Trident is specifically targeted at blacks committing gun crime against other blacks. And thus is also irrelevant to thus discussion as it is a non-random sample.


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