Schiit stack or gsx 1000?

The DAC used has a built in headphone driver max 1 VRMS @ 32 ohm but capable of 50mW - I've not actually looked at the output configuration to see whether there is a voltage or current buffer on the output implemented on the GSX.

On a sort of related note I was just Googling to see if anyone had high-res images of the GSX PCB and had to laugh at this page (some random advertising/scam site scraping internet content for hits or something) https://www.oco-7.top/ProductDetail.aspx?iid=134365731&pr=71.99 strangely enough not only is that image completely unrelated to the GSX... it is also something I built as an experiment...

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/30373456

CRAZY. They used your pic? See the disinformation i'm talking about? lol How did you find out it can go up to 50 mW? which I am assuming is more then what a normal 1 Vrms to 32 ohms conversion is. interesting. But I guess all of this is meaningless to my ears though. Like i said experts say, like the engineers at abyss and some high profile reviewers, say distortion and frequency numbers are things we shouldn't bother looking at because there is no standard of measurement and companies lie. Might be some truth to that but what else do we have to go on? Because like I said my mobo has the same OPA1688 amp found in the heresy and while it can go much louder with its higher impedance and max power rating, it just doesn't sound nearly as good as the GSX even though its weaker. So there has to be other things that matter. Of course what headpphones you are using probably matter the most and I just find it pairs well with the Sundara's Compared to my Game Zero's and HD 598's the Sundara's are alos most affected by the GSX eq when compared to the pc.
 
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Looked at the datasheet for the headphone driver the Conexant DAC in the GSX uses - but as above I've not actually checked the full circuitry on the GSX to see how the headphone output is implemented it may use an external to the DAC buffer or driver - there seems to be some variation as to which actual Conexant chip is used in the GSX (not just depending on which model of GSX it is) so it may vary a bit.

The built in driver for the DAC alone will drive many headphones fine, but some more demanding ones it won't get the best out of like my HD600s - though they aren't the best pairing for gaming surround audio anyhow.

CRAZY. They used your pic?

EDIT: Not sure what the site is - seems to be some kind of random store front using a bunch of random data slapped together - not even using it to draw advertising clicks.

They seem to have scraped a bunch of data from the internet and assembled it to produce a fake site - possibly drop shipping or something or an all out scam.
 
Looked at the datasheet for the headphone driver the Conexant DAC in the GSX uses - but as above I've not actually checked the full circuitry on the GSX to see how the headphone output is implemented it may use an external to the DAC buffer or driver - there seems to be some variation as to which actual Conexant chip is used in the GSX (not just depending on which model of GSX it is) so it may vary a bit.

The built in driver for the DAC alone will drive many headphones fine, but some more demanding ones it won't get the best out of like my HD600s - though they aren't the best pairing for gaming surround audio anyhow.



EDIT: Not sure what the site is - seems to be some kind of random store front using a bunch of random data slapped together - not even using it to draw advertising clicks.

They seem to have scraped a bunch of data from the internet and assembled it to produce a fake site - possibly drop shipping or something or an all out scam.

Its crazy after using these Sundara's, my other headsets just feel way too harsh and shallow lol. The Sundara's are so full. I almost got the AKG 712 pro instead, but I think I made the right choice because I'm really liking the bass on these things. Its perfect amount for me. not too much not too little. And when i want it to slam that music eq on the GSX is so good.

Some people use the hd 6 series with the GSX i've seen on reddit. I imagine it doesn't go very loud though and is lacking lol. the HD 58x has pretty similar imaging to the 660s, which is the best out there supposedly and is only 150ohms with high sensitivity. wonder how that would sound with the GSX 1000. I like a big soundstage though, Sundara's aren't as big as the AKG 702 or 712 but I think its the right amount for gaming. This is my first open back.

The HIfiman Ananda is even lower impedance and higher sensitivity. And supposedly sounds way better then the Sundara. I wonder what that would sound like with the GSX lol
 
The headphone driver on the GSX IIRC is 50mW max - I've not looked at it in awhile but I don't believe it has any current buffer on the output, the JDS Atom is 1W @ 32 ohm or 5.66V RMS (totally overkill for most headphones) - it is referenced against 1 VRMS @ 32 ohm for distortion performance.
That 50mW must be power when smoke comes out of it...
~0,7 Vrms/14 mW @32 ohms:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/kopfhoer...ts-design-but-sufficient-the-also-igorslab/2/
And voltage won't get much better no matter how current frugal cans you connect into it...
 
That 50mW must be power when smoke comes out of it...
~0,7 Vrms/14 mW @32 ohms:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/kopfhoer...ts-design-but-sufficient-the-also-igorslab/2/
And voltage won't get much better no matter how current frugal cans you connect into it...

I have come across that article before. Someone on reddit linked it to me, someone who also claimed you couldn't shut the surround sound off on the GSX lol. The disinformation on this product is unreal. That bogus article must have really got around. man. My frugal Sundara's plugged into the GSX make that guy Igor look like a total fraud. Cause it literally punches me out my socks, sounds fuller, warmer and cleaner then my more powerful supremefx s1220 with the same OPA1688 op-amp found in the heresy, only lacking in volume. but 28% is where i'm usually at. Definitely worth it with all the features it has for me.

I've learned this is a very fraudulent industry. You can't trust anybody's graphs or number's whether its the manufacturer's or some reviewer. Even if accurate it might not translate to your ears. I'd still look at rtings.com and crinacle but just for a rough reference taken with a grain of salt. Its best to trust only your own ears. Buy multiple products and compare yourself. Thats what I do now. Was just deciding on earbuds and wireless headphones with anc recently. Literally went through a dozen pairs before settling on the qc 35 ii and galaxy buds pros. I've literally tried them all. I would have to say the most overhyped and bogus reviews are on the sony's. They are garbage. Its all lies.
 
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Human senses are some of the most inaccurate and easily manipulated measuring devices.
Just ask magicians.

You are purposely manipulating them, thats the point. Choose which you like the best and not what you are told you are supposed to like. Better that than letting your mind get manipulated by people giving you measurements and reviews lmao... Ask a con artist.

The worst is the guy Oluv's Gadgets on youtube. Hes out to lunch lol. Guy shows you graphs and then plays you audio samples. I saw one he was reviewing the Hifiman Sundara's. Complains it is too harsh in the trebles and not accurate to original recording. So he changed it with a parametric eq "to make it better" and showed you the difference. What was crazy was that the Sundara's default tuning, sounded way closer to the original recording, almost perfect, compared to his eq adjustment that turned them disgusting and so far off it was absolutely absurd. Some others besides me were posting in the comments about it. His answer was it can't be fixed with a 10 band eq. lol. But yet, people believe his ********. To me that guy is certifiably insane and he has thousands of fans that praise his every word.

But Like employees at abyss and many other reviewers say there is no standard method and tools in the industry for measuring these things. How do we know guys like Oluv and Igor or others are even measuring **** correctly? And again imo it doesn't even matter since everyones ears and tastes are different.
 
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You are purposely manipulating them, thats the point. Choose which you like the best and not what you are told you are supposed to like. Better that than letting your mind get manipulated by people giving you measurements and reviews lmao... Ask a con artist.
Full of contradictions, aren't you...
You say people shouldn't trust measurements, but marketing is credible source to get biased from?
If you trust no measurements, you should have even less trust in marketing of any product regardless of the brand!

I saw one he was reviewing the Hifiman Sundara's. Complains it is too harsh in the trebles and not accurate to original recording.
Web is indeed over the brink full of every kind claims... often from subjectivist.

But Sundara actually has more treble than many popular headphones like lots of Sennheisers.
(not that I would myself consider that as automatically bad thing)
As you don't trust measurements, what is saying that either of them is any more accurate than other?
If it's because you say so, that would be another contradiction.

Also that "original recording" thing is full of ambiguity.
Every sound reproduction system simply has its own inaccuracies/imperfections and hence that "original recording" isn't fully original coming out of it.
Or accuracy would have to be confirmed by objective no own opinions measuring instruments you dismiss.
Human brain simply isn't capable/hasn't evolved to accurately store (or even receive) sensory data, because there's no evolutionary use for absolute accuracy.
So instant comparison to real life acoustical thing would be closest thing for some kind semi accurate comparison.



As for mesurement results there can be certainly differences between them.
Already allowed distortion level has effect into power/voltage measurements results and would need specifying, like they are in precise documenting.
(btw speaker amps are measured/specified at lot higher distortion than headphone amps)
But we can be pretty certain that 1 Vrms into 32 ohms EPOS/Sennheiser hid under marketing is likely optimal for them value.

And used hardware is rather low end in capability and not even any mid range.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sennheiser-gsx-1000-1200-impressions.824923/page-30#post-13504383

Conexant CX20745 chip is literally meant as cheap solution for generic consumer electronics like phones, tablets and such:
https://prom-electric.ru/media/CX20745_ds.pdf

Datasheet also provides other info not told by marketing:
Charge pump for headphone amp's negative power rail has maximum output of -2.6V and design might well be using its minimum value -2V. (page 10)
That tells max headphone output voltage is meager and and nothing out of ordinary.
Hence advertising device as special headphone amp is misleading at best.
And already first page tells that D/A converter is quite low end one.
Both are something you would expect from below £50 entry level sound card.
 
Full of contradictions, aren't you...
You say people shouldn't trust measurements, but marketing is credible source to get biased from?
If you trust no measurements, you should have even less trust in marketing of any product regardless of the brand!

where did I say people should trust marketing? huh? I'm saying people should trust their own ears and listen for oneself to form their own opinion.

Web is indeed over the brink full of every kind claims... often from subjectivist.

I hope you are agreeing Fake Igor's and Oluv's faulty measurements and absurd comparisons should be considered subjective lol. Another crazy thing they say is that amps make no change in sound lol.

But Sundara actually has more treble than many popular headphones like lots of Sennheisers.
(not that I would myself consider that as automatically bad thing)
As you don't trust measurements, what is saying that either of them is any more accurate than other?
If it's because you say so, that would be another contradiction.

most people prefer bassy or warm headphones. The sennheiser hd 6's are preferred for the mids and vocal tones. Most of the high end "audiophile" headphones are usually wider and brighter for more detail. The Sundara is considered that type but not as much in each category as a lot of them, like Beyer's or AKG, hd 800, for example. But I find the Sundara also good for some nice linear bass kick.

Also that "original recording" thing is full of ambiguity.
Every sound reproduction system simply has its own inaccuracies/imperfections and hence that "original recording" isn't fully original coming out of it.
Or accuracy would have to be confirmed by objective no own opinions measuring instruments you dismiss.
Human brain simply isn't capable/hasn't evolved to accurately store (or even receive) sensory data, because there's no evolutionary use for absolute accuracy.
So instant comparison to real life acoustical thing would be closest thing for some kind semi accurate comparison.

Doesn't matter how "original" it is. It is the sample being used to compare. I'm not saying I went and listened to my own original file compared to what he was playing over his youtube video lmao... What you are talking about is irrelevant to the point. He was making the comparison between his own files and I listened to nothing else. Again, the point is guys like him play a song or show a graph, and then totally claim it sounds or shows something opposite. Its hard to tell if he really believes this or is totally lying to try and manipulate people's minds, or trying to be different and important or if he is just certifiably insane. lol. Again, in his own video samples, the Sundara sounded almost identical to the original recording, compared his eq changes that sounded disgusting and nothing like the original. Yet he told his audience the opposite. Do you understand the point I'm making. These guys show you graphs and play sounds and its like they are hearing and looking at something else in their own minds!! And so do the masses of people that agree with them. They are not listening with their own ears.



As for mesurement results there can be certainly differences between them.
Already allowed distortion level has effect into power/voltage measurements results and would need specifying, like they are in precise documenting.
(btw speaker amps are measured/specified at lot higher distortion than headphone amps)
But we can be pretty certain that 1 Vrms into 32 ohms EPOS/Sennheiser hid under marketing is likely optimal for them value.

Not certainly, Its most DEFINITELY. What we can "certainly" say is, because of this, manufactures are basically lying. Like they do in almost every industry. Their numbers should be taken with a grain salt and assumed lower in actuality.

And used hardware is rather low end in capability and not even any mid range.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sennheiser-gsx-1000-1200-impressions.824923/page-30#post-13504383

Conexant CX20745 chip is literally meant as cheap solution for generic consumer electronics like phones, tablets and such:
https://prom-electric.ru/media/CX20745_ds.pdf

What does this have to do with anything? Are you saying that is the chip in the GSX? Not sure where you got that information or disinformation lol Another random pic in a forum with no proof its even related or even using those chips? But Whatever it is, it sounds better to me than the OPA1688 chip in my mobo, same one found in the schiit heresy. You can fact check me on that easily with reputable sources and data sheets straight from the device manufactuers. Volume is not the issue for me, the sound is. Must be more to it than that.

And I can tell you right now. The GSX 1000 sounds way better then any phone amp, so its absurd to imply otherwise. wow...

Datasheet also provides other info not told by marketing:
Charge pump for headphone amp's negative power rail has maximum output of -2.6V and design might well be using its minimum value -2V. (page 10)
That tells max headphone output voltage is meager and and nothing out of ordinary.
Hence advertising device as special headphone amp is misleading at best.
And already first page tells that D/A converter is quite low end one.
Both are something you would expect from below £50 entry level sound card.

again I have no idea what you are referring to. my sundara's? The GSX? What data sheet. Where? A random pic in some forum with no proof its even the GSX or uses those chips? lol Again, all meaningless to me. I use my ears. You are letting your mind become manipulated and confused, instead of your ears. lol
 
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If it's for gaming focus more then the GSX 1000 simply can not be beaten at this moment.

The surround sound of this device is so good, owned it since day of release and have zero regrets.

EsaT has been hating on the GSX since release alway claiming about its so called weak hardware.

What really matters is the experience while using it and that is great.

End of the day its a gaming focused device that does the job its set out to do.
 
If it's for gaming focus more then the GSX 1000 simply can not be beaten at this moment.

The surround sound of this device is so good, owned it since day of release and have zero regrets.

EsaT has been hating on the GSX since release alway claiming about its so called weak hardware.

What really matters is the experience while using it and that is great.

End of the day its a gaming focused device that does the job its set out to do.

I been testing out the ifi zen dac/amp past few days because I keep reading my hifiman Sundaras need a lot of power. but I'm thinking its all BS. It does have a bigger soundstage and more sub bass with the dynamic gain and bass switches on. It sounds good, but its also echoey and harsher and slightly distorted at low volumes and unnatural sounding and its hard to hear vocals without blasting it. More digitized and metallic. The GSX 1000 is much more warmer, natural and intimate and its music eq preset has great bass. Its easier to hear the vocals on the GSX 1000. All the same goes for my onboard Rog SupremeFX S1220 when I need higher bitrate with the deep eq preset and default sonic studio music enhancements. I just had to prove to myself I wasn't crazy, the GSX sounds fantastic for music with headphones under 150 ohms imo no matter how it "measures".

You can't even control volume or balance with windows desktop with the ifi dac. And I found out amazon music hd does not have true bit-perfect exclusive mode, so I can't see the cool colors change on the dac lol. Its not worth it and probably worse for my hearing. Does it sound better? Slightly, maybe? I guess i'm officially not an audiophile.
 
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