Schools - LOST THE PLOT?

bloodiedathame · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:29

cheesyboy said:
You can't learn if you don't conform. That's just science.

That's why I left my Nazi private secondary school at sixth form.

Whilst I personally wouldn't give my boys that haircut, I don't agree with the schools methods.

Martini1991 · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:29

Lima said:
School plays an important role in discipline in a child's development. Schools have rather conservative rules to aid this process, like it or not. The last thing that a parent should be doing is braking the school rules themselves then moaning at the school and undermining the schools authority; sets a terrible example for the child.

School does play a vital role in discipline, you're right (Although I think they fail miserably the majority of the time. Shouting at Children isn't discipline, yet they seem keen on it.). But this is completely the wrong way of doing it. It's counter productive.

Locky · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:31

I'd like to see some of the hair cuts in here tbh so we can all have a laugh..

Dis86 · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:31

Dave M said:
But schools shouldn't be trying to score points by how hard they can come down on children. We all make mistakes.

And how else do they learn from them if they're not picked up upon?

AGD · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:31

Dave M said:
School rules don't trump acts of parliament! I doubt anyone but the richest and most stubborn would go legal, the costs would be monumental, but it's there.

Personally I'd speak to them, express my desire to observe school rules but you cannot be expected to know every rule from heart and interpret it exactly from such a brief text. If it really is such a problem more should be done to make parents aware or at least give parents a warning before taking further action.

I'd expect you were shocked and upset that your child was made feel like a victim by being removed from his class and you should definitely make it clear you are concerned for your boy's welfare (which, clearly you are, but teachers are a pretty cynical bunch).

The most obvious way out would be a further haircut that the school can agree on (ironically, a number 2 all over would probably be fine) as the alternatives of an extended period of isolation/suspension or being forced to wear some head gear to cover his hair for a month or more, would frankly be harmful to the child, both in terms of his education and being singled out for bullying by other children.

The school really should be working with you to prevent further harm to the child at this point.

+1

Gman · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:33

Don't know whats worse the school or the hair cut

Seriously the kids going to look back on this in x amount of years the say mother why did do this to me ?

Bordering of child abuse really .

Fuzz · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:33

DISCIPLINE SLACKER!

Dave M · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:38

Dis86 said:
And how else do they learn from them if they're not picked up upon?

picked up or picked on?

I think the atmosphere of the 'public school wannabees' is not helpful, it's not discipline but the appearance of discipline - like the armies european states used to have, nice rows of shiny red uniforms with brass buttons - complete guff!

Sadly in a competitive environment this will attract parents and thus funding. If it's really just a race to see who can be the most draconian however I don't see what good it does for anybody. I don't believe for one minute that these rules have helped improve classroom behaviour or eliminate a single case of bullying.

It's like the Daily Mail made a 'how to run a school' manual.

Dis86 · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:40

Dave M said:
picked up or picked on?

I think the atmosphere of the 'public school wannabees' is not helpful, it's not discipline but the appearance of discipline - like the armies european states used to have, nice rows of shiny red uniforms with brass buttons - complete guff!

Sadly in a competitive environment this will attract parents and thus funding. If it's really just a race to see who can be the most draconian however I don't see what good it does for anybody. I don't believe for one minute that these rules have helped improve classroom behaviour or eliminate a single case of bullying.

It's like the Daily Mail made a 'how to run a school' manual.

I specifically meant picked up upon. I think you're forgetting what school was like. When I was at school if I rocked up with a haircut like that I would have been torn a new one by lunch time - not by the teachers, by the kids. The trouble is that schools cannot be precise on what will have a negative reaction at what wont. The simple solution is a blanket ban. It's logic. Thus rules are born.

MrMoonX · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:41

Lima said:
School plays an important role in discipline in a child's development. Schools have rather conservative rules to aid this process, like it or not. The last thing that a parent should be doing is braking the school rules themselves then moaning at the school and undermining the schools authority; sets a terrible example for the child.

/thread

Martini1991 · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:42

Dis86 said:
I specifically meant picked up upon. I think you're forgetting what school was like. When I was at school if I rocked up with a haircut like that I would have been torn a new one by lunch time - not by the teachers, by the kids. The trouble is that schools cannot be precise on what will have a negative reaction at what wont. The simple solution is a blanket ban. It's logic. Thus rules are born.

If it was logic, you'd cure the cause, not the symptom, those who are tearing you the new one are the problem, not the hair cut.
Stamping out individuality is not good.

DailyGeek · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:43

I went to a Grammar school. I used to shave my head, have large sideburns, keep my fringe long, dye it blonde and basically just have a quiff. I'm not saying it was a good look (putting it mildly!) but it wasn't ever a problem with the school.

Here's what you do. Apologise for overlooking how this could be considered against the rules, since it's 2015 and a modern, current male hairstyle seen literally everywhere and it is not considered remotely radical. Feel free to highlight it isn't aligned with skinheads, gangs or any other negative conotations and understand how the rules help keep such things out of school.

Then state your displeasure with the isolation punishment and that it does not help teach acceptance and understanding of individuality or different cultures to punish it in such a manner. Basically push for the fact that it isn't remotely extreme as haircuts go.

I mean where does partially shaved count, no gradient at the hairline? same exact length all the way through?

Dis86 · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:45

Martini1991 said:
If it was logic, you'd cure the cause, not the symptom, those who are tearing you the new one are the problem, not the hair cut.
Stamping out individuality is not good.

Again...try to remember when you were at school. It is impossible to cure the sadistic taunts of kids no matter how hard you try. They also exhibit mob mentality.

Raymond Lin · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:47

Dave M said:
School rules don't trump acts of parliament! I doubt anyone but the richest and most stubborn would go legal, the costs would be monumental, but it's there.

Personally I'd speak to them, express my desire to observe school rules but you cannot be expected to know every rule from heart and interpret it exactly from such a brief text. If it really is such a problem more should be done to make parents aware or at least give parents a warning before taking further action.

I'd expect you were shocked and upset that your child was made feel like a victim by being removed from his class and you should definitely make it clear you are concerned for your boy's welfare (which, clearly you are, but teachers are a pretty cynical bunch).

The most obvious way out would be a further haircut that the school can agree on (ironically, a number 2 all over would probably be fine) as the alternatives of an extended period of isolation/suspension or being forced to wear some head gear to cover his hair for a month or more, would frankly be harmful to the child, both in terms of his education and being singled out for bullying by other children.

The school really should be working with you to prevent further harm to the child at this point.

Acts of parliament?

On an hair cut issue? Lol

There is no legislation to stop you turn up dressing like a tranvestite either, but would you do it and would you be expected to be allowed to do so in the name of freedom of speech, in a school? What if the teachers start doing it?

I think it's a mountain out of a molehill tbh, school policy says that haircut breaks the rules, just shave it all off, or are we going to resort to measuring hair?

Martini1991 · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:48

Dis86 said:
Again...try to remember when you were at school. It is impossible to cure the sadistic taunts of kids no matter how hard you try. They also exhibit mob mentality.

That wasn't my experience of School, certainly not over a hair style like in the OP.

Dis86 · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:49

Martini1991 said:
That wasn't my experience of School.

Then the likelihood is you were the one doing it

Or you didn't have the naff haircut.

Martini1991 · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:49

Dis86 said:
Then the likelihood is you were the one doing it

Or you didn't have the naff haircut.

Yeah, I certainly wasn't the one doing it.

Locky · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:50

Spose if the kid had cancer and had a bald they would be put into isolation too? Rules are rules after all

Raymond Lin · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:52

Locky said:
Spose if the kid had cancer and had a bald they would be put into isolation too? Rules are rules after all

Doubt that kid would be going to school...if he did, and put into isolation, I think the press would have a field day.

Dave M · 27 Apr 2015 at 18:53

Raymond Lin said:
What if the teachers start doing it?

They do, and their rights are protected just like anyone else.