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ChroniC said:
Does that principle have a scientific name? Or is that just rubbish?
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Inductive reactance, or something like that, it has been a while so don't shout at me for not knowing what I should know.

The planets do slow down, the moon gets closer all the time.
Either that or the hamsters at the centre of the earth get tired.
 
ChroniC said:
Wouldnt require bearings. Could be done with a solid magnet and a coil of wire.
What do you mean by motion is resisted. Would the electromagnet force applied to the actual coil, have its own resistance to the coil itself?
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Yes - your mistake is in thinking the magnet would remain spinning forever. Things set in motion in a vacuum do not stay in motion forever - they stay in motion until a force acts on them. Your spinning magnet will have a torque on it resisting its motion proportional to the current drawn by the load. i.e. turn on the toaster you just plugged in to your space generator, and your magnet feels a resistive force which will slow it down. Sorry :)
 
groen said:
There is already perpetual motion machines I have seen them with my own eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ

check out the over unity videos on youtube, many machines exists that run on magnets and charge a battery up while using it and the machine can run a light bulb etc for ever. Well as long as the battery and the mechanics of the device hold up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O9ectXC3Sk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRyksa-7Bcc

There are tons of examples.

google: bedini motor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHh5AqQ4_xw
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lolwut

If you want a real perpetual motion, cold fusion device, this is it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&ob=av2e
 
You should look at the videos "energy from the vacuum" 13 part series.

Basically using different techniques they show you can get more energy out of circuit than you put in. He says it gets the energy from the ether. Using tesla technique of using pulses to create spikes and using electro magnets and the pulses you can create over unity or negative resistance.

Over unity is when you get more energy from a circuit than you are putting in.
 
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Like I said, I knew it couldn't be the case as smarter men than me, which isn't difficult know better, and there you have it, but within the principles of that law, how great a resistance would it feel.
I do wonder how resistive the force is in such a low friction environment, because it may take out energy, but would the small amount of energy removed be very easily overidden by say my other idea adding a solar sail to spin it.
 
You can't get more out of something than the energy put in... surely? That goes against the laws of physics, or am I missing something here?
 
groen said:
You should look at the videos "energy from the vacuum" 13 part series.

Basically using different techniques they show you can get more energy out of circuit than you put in. He says it gets the energy from the ether. Using tesla technique of using pulses to create spikes and using electro magnets and the pulses you can create over unity or negative resistance.

Over unity is when you get more energy from a circuit than you are putting in.
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LOL.

Literally.
 
Freefaller said:
You can't get more out of something than the energy put in... surely? That goes against the laws of physics, or am I missing something here?
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That is what over unity is about. There is even a forum for it: http://www.overunity.com/

I have seen videos with a multimeter showing more volts coming out of the circuit than there was prior to turning on the magnet rotor device. So the device spins by itself with the aide of a battery and the device charges the battery more than it uses it, you have over unity.

There are 10000s of people around the world trying to perfect the perpetual magnetic motor.

I saw a realy good one the day on youtube but i can't find it now, the design was beautiful. So simple by so effective and it practically runs forever by itself due to the magnets. Strap a fan belt to it and to a turbine generators and you have free energy.
 
"Over unity" comes about because for whatever reason, people lack a fundamental understanding of electromagnetism and it appears to be "magic" to them.
 
Magnets lose their magnitism over time due to various factors, including exposure to other eletromagnetic fields - which is exactly what you are doing.

So eventually your spinning magnet will turn back into a normal block of iron and stop spinning.
 
Sorry I don't believe it for a second, and youtube doesn't hold any water - anyone can fake a video.

If this had been real, the whole world would be over it and it would revolutionise the world - so you can only draw one conclusion - that it's complete and utter BS.
 
ChroniC said:
Like I said, I knew it couldn't be the case as smarter men than me, which isn't difficult know better, and there you have it, but within the principles of that law, how great a resistance would it feel.
I do wonder how resistive the force is in such a low friction environment, because it may take out energy, but would the small amount of energy removed be very easily overidden by say my other idea adding a solar sail to spin it.
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If you try to draw 1kW from a generator, the generator spindle presents mechanical resistance equivalent to 1kW. In fact, this is the best case scenario, the generator may be 90% efficient so the load on the spindle shall be 1.1kW etc. The solar sail might generate a fraction of a watt, in practise it won't be enough to turn the spindle under any load due to sub 100% efficiency (you need superconductors and zero friction bearings for that!)

You wouldn't expect a motor of 1kW electrical rating to do more than 1kW mechanical work, so it's just the same!
 
Is the OP getting confused with superconductivity?? Even then, if you draw on the superconductor it will still end up with less energy.... Unless you believe in fairy tales :p
 
LOLgroen. Why dont you make one of these beautiful designs and stop paying your energy bill? Why dont their inventors? Oh wait...
 
ChroniC said:
would the small amount of energy removed be very easily overidden by say my other idea adding a solar sail to spin it.
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It wouldn't be perpetual motion in that case. Anyway the low efficiency and impracticality of such a device would mean it would never be built, solar panels are far better.

Groen, seriously, find something less wasteful to do with your time. Perpetual motion is just a way to exploit gullible people. All these supposed perpetual motion machines will have some source of maintaining power, even if it isn't obvious. For instance Cox's timepiece:

wiki said:
Cox claimed that his design was a true perpetual motion machine, but as the device is powered from changes in atmospheric pressure via a mercury barometer, this is not the case.
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ChroniC said:
Just confused in general I think. :(
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Easily done - physics is incredible for that, and there are so many guys on OcUK that really are mind blowingly intelligent.

I love physics, but it gets to a stage where it becomes too theoretical and you need high level Mathematics to be able to "discuss" it with clarity - that's where I start to crumble!

Every day almost, someone invents something, or apply some form of physics that revolutionises the world we live in... look at the PCs we're using now!

However, they are built on the principles of the laws of physics. Unlike the matrix and other dreams, we cannot just bend the rules. There are still particles and items in space we can't even measure or quantify - we have such a big journey ahead of us it's no surprise we're not that far along.
 
It “appears to produce overunity” because of the complete lack of knowledge of basic physics and bad measurements on the part of the builder. This is a delusion and it encourages people to waste their time copying it. Learn basic electrics and physics before falling for this ********. Anyone profiting from this is a crook.
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Yea could definitely just be fake or people who don't understand what they are doing.
 
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