Second class action lawsuit filed against Microsoft

JUMPURS said:
Well he's talking about his PS2
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NO, I'm talking about the PS3, it gets quite loud after 10mins..

Both the Online e-tailer it was bought from, and Sony say the same thing, unless it's faulty it's not an issue, "It's supposed to do that sir"..
 
Demon said:
That's quite a negative view.. :)

Xbox 1 performed flawlessly..
Remember the PS2 lottery with failing Lasers or whatever it was??

I agree that being an early adopter is risky, and I agree with your sentiment, MS will have lost quite a chunk of sales over this, but they are still selling plenty of units, and we all know they still will...
When the 'falcon' re-designed 360's hit stores, this should all be a thing of the past, in 2-3 years no one will probably remember/care..
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Sure they are selling but not as expected, whatever they sell will it even cover the 1 billion repair bill. They are in it to make money and the 360 ait profitable enough to make it worth the hassle, surely????

For 2 years on here, every single sony miss truth/lie has been pulled apart to the last letter. Yet MS lied over the failures and people have scrapped consoles especially in america through no fault of their own.

Probably the sales figures over the last half of this year, with the massive titles will determine whether they carry on or not.

Seriously I think not, they are a profit making company after all and wont prop up the console division for much longer.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Oh its damaged, I would never early adopt to their next system if there was one.

Right up until the flaws I thought the console was the best bit of kit i'd ever bought.

Sony handed them this Gen on a plate and they blew it. The premium if it was within industry standards could have been sold for the cost of a wii. Instead they are keeping the price high. They shouldve been cutting the cost when the PS3 was launched. They havent been able to. I've invested too much this gen to change format, next time I will be more cautious :D
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Blew it is a bit strong, they've got 7 million people on live.
Sony didnt hand them anything, Microsoft released early, the PS2 was still selling well but Sony met everything Microsoft did with big words and bull### like they did to Sega.

I agree they should reduce the price to make it look more attractive now the PS3 is out, but thats the decision of the analysts at MS and all the console companies are still making mistakes and havnt got everyone covered.

Changing format? gaming as a whole demands you invest a lot of your time, you can move on and spend your money as you please, only the people still playing PS2 games today have to make a format choice, the 360 has a year over the competition, there was only PC gaming you could compare it to technically, and Microsoft still have a massive lead when it comes to games versus Nintendo and Microsoft.
And as someone who converted from PC gaming and has a reliable launch machine, overheating and disc scratching problems are almost laughable comapred to the hassle of PCs.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Seriously I think not, they are a profit making company after all and wont prop up the console division for much longer.
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before the repair cost estimate they were already about 1.4 billion in debt, but they predicted they would make that back with the console costs v sale price now coming into making money. So the analysts have now decided another billion is do able so announce an extend warranty (note : not a recall) and with a lot of software to come argubly the best games still to come, and the movie service, live subscriptions, accessories they obviously felt it was worth proping up. If you know better maybe you should have been round the table last month and told them to pull the plug ;)
Even if they break even this gen, they could possibly have 30 million users tied to their products and at worst 30% might not come back if everyone who's machine had red lights and scratched a disc dont come back.
Then they build on the next gen and contimue to eat into Sony's domination, lets face Sony didnt do anything special last time round, they just became the school playground brand of choice.
 
slambo69 said:
The majority of them are gold subscriptions though, so at least 51% I would assume.
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But we don't know that, iirc MS has never even hinted at how many active Gold subscribers they have.
 
Pter moore confirmed it with an interview with eurogamer that the majority are gold.

Eurogamer: On the subject of numbers, why don't you tell us how many people are playing Xbox Live? You tell us how many sign up, but you don't tell us how many have got Gold. The only reason I can think of is they're not as high as you'd like them.

Peter Moore: Ah, so you've got a conspiracy theory there. No - the majority are Gold, and we have some very clear competitive reasons why we don't start breaking down revenues much crisper than that. We give a lot of information on online. We give you the total numbers. The one thing we do is we think every member is valuable to us because we could do commercial transactions with Silver and Gold. No, we're not lying to you, if that's the insinuation that somehow we're actually lying about the numbers.
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Ahhh interesting bit of beating about the bush there lol least it is kind of an answer though.
Hope his majority isn't the same as 'industry standard' though :D
 
Most companies won't give subscriber numbers other than a general "over" or "about".

Look at MMORPG subscriber numbers, WOW will say "over 10 million accounts" (or units sold) but they don't mention how many are active, free trials or inactive. It's commercially sensitive information (they may at times make a press release when certain numbers are reached, but generally not too much detail).
 
Thanks for keeping the thread intresting (No trolling or fanboyism).

i personally think that this disc sraching issue could really turn into a masive snowball. Two class action suits and still 48 states to go. Considering the EU commison doesn't really like MS i wonder if enough people complained to them what there response would be.

As for MS ditching the xbox i think its to early for all this doom and gloom. 1 thing is clear Sony and nintendo still have the edge in producing and building hardware. To many years of experience i think.
 
I've always believed that scratched discs should be replaced for free or for a small admin charge anyway, we are still only buying a license to run the software we dont own anything?
 
Quite true but without the disc you can not use the purchased licence. Scince the machine is the one messing up the discs, microsoft is denying you the benefit of buying a software licence
 
SC04 said:
Blew it is a bit strong, they've got 7 million people on live.
Sony didnt hand them anything, Microsoft released early, the PS2 was still selling well but Sony met everything Microsoft did with big words and bull### like they did to Sega.

I agree they should reduce the price to make it look more attractive now the PS3 is out, but thats the decision of the analysts at MS and all the console companies are still making mistakes and havnt got everyone covered.
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By blew I mean they had sony in the palm of their hand to seriously make a dent in them this generation. Sony where suffering delay after delay, breaking promises, weeing on europe. That was MS chance to clear up, drop the price and stick millions more sales on top. Instead they have a broken console fiasco to clear up, which will have hit the chance to drop the price.

NokkonWud said:
Microsoft will make most of their money back from Game and Peripheral sales though Danny.
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But the entertainment division is still Billions down, how many years will it take to turn around total investment on both the xbox and 360 into real time profit? Xbox 5 or 6? Surely if it was your business and you could see that the 360 stopped your yearly profits overall by say 10% you would say enough's enough?

Also on a note close to your heart, if the system is being pirated as much as it is, then they wont be making much back on games ;)

SC04 said:
If you know better maybe you should have been round the table last month and told them to pull the plug ;)
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Honestly I'm not saying I know better, I'm not a fanboy or any kind, I just wanted to calmly debate how the hell it's even worth carrying on making the console? I dont have the answers or claim to, just curious especially with the other thread on losses how the hell it can even be worth it. As i've said before they couldve already taken the decision to can the project but will never let that out til its obvious another console isn't coming.

SC04 said:
I've always believed that scratched discs should be replaced for free or for a small admin charge anyway, we are still only buying a license to run the software we dont own anything?
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Yeah as i've said before that would cost them a fortune because if I trashed one myself with poor handling I would just damage the disc on purpose and claim off MS. I suppose it would cost them almost as much as the Red lights because forums are full of threads with trashed discs.
 
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