Seeking opinion about contract wording

Thanks for all the input everyone, it's been really helpful.

Just to update, I sat down and had a little chat with our HR manager today and went over the contract and my concerns about that wording.
They said that it wasn't anything to worry about and that the front sheet of the contract they used was a sort of catch-all template, one that they could give to either an internal/external applicant and that the line would only apply for anyone external that was offered the job.

I said that I wasn't comfortable signing it whilst that line was on the contract due to the potential for it being abused and explained that even if the current HR manager had no intention of it being used how it read on paper, if they left the organisation and another person took over HR, the new person could turn around later down the line and say "well you clearly signed the agreement that contained this statement".
I asked for that line to be taken off the contract so that there's no issues later on and they agreed to do it, so hopefully no further problems appear before the contract officially kicks into action in April.
 
suenstar said:
Thanks for all the input everyone, it's been really helpful.

Just to update, I sat down and had a little chat with our HR manager today and went over the contract and my concerns about that wording.
They said that it wasn't anything to worry about and that the front sheet of the contract they used was a sort of catch-all template, one that they could give to either an internal/external applicant and that the line would only apply for anyone external that was offered the job.

I said that I wasn't comfortable signing it whilst that line was on the contract due to the potential for it being abused and explained that even if the current HR manager had no intention of it being used how it read on paper, if they left the organisation and another person took over HR, the new person could turn around later down the line and say "well you clearly signed the agreement that contained this statement".
I asked for that line to be taken off the contract so that there's no issues later on and they agreed to do it, so hopefully no further problems appear before the contract officially kicks into action in April.
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Excellent news then.
 
suenstar said:
I asked for that line to be taken off the contract so that there's no issues later on and they agreed to do it, so hopefully no further problems appear before the contract officially kicks into action in April.
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Brilliant result, are you happy to sign it if they remove it?
 
suenstar said:
Thanks for all the input everyone, it's been really helpful.

Just to update, I sat down and had a little chat with our HR manager today and went over the contract and my concerns about that wording.
They said that it wasn't anything to worry about and that the front sheet of the contract they used was a sort of catch-all template, one that they could give to either an internal/external applicant and that the line would only apply for anyone external that was offered the job.

I said that I wasn't comfortable signing it whilst that line was on the contract due to the potential for it being abused and explained that even if the current HR manager had no intention of it being used how it read on paper, if they left the organisation and another person took over HR, the new person could turn around later down the line and say "well you clearly signed the agreement that contained this statement".
I asked for that line to be taken off the contract so that there's no issues later on and they agreed to do it, so hopefully no further problems appear before the contract officially kicks into action in April.
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Great news, just another prime example as why you should always read the contract /terms and conditions.
 
suenstar said:
Thanks for all the input everyone, it's been really helpful.

Just to update, I sat down and had a little chat with our HR manager today and went over the contract and my concerns about that wording.
They said that it wasn't anything to worry about and that the front sheet of the contract they used was a sort of catch-all template, one that they could give to either an internal/external applicant and that the line would only apply for anyone external that was offered the job.

I said that I wasn't comfortable signing it whilst that line was on the contract due to the potential for it being abused and explained that even if the current HR manager had no intention of it being used how it read on paper, if they left the organisation and another person took over HR, the new person could turn around later down the line and say "well you clearly signed the agreement that contained this statement".
I asked for that line to be taken off the contract so that there's no issues later on and they agreed to do it, so hopefully no further problems appear before the contract officially kicks into action in April.
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Perfect :)
 
Good news they will remove it.

I would not have signed that either. Never take someone's word that they don't intend to use the clause. Always get it in writing or the contract amended. Otherwise they you could take the new role, have no previous employment record, and then they sack you the next day because you have no employment protection for the first two years. You would probably have a very strong case in a tribunal but never leave it to chance.

Also keep a copy of the contract you sign in case this becomes an issue later.
 
Maundie said:
Brilliant result, are you happy to sign it if they remove it?
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Yes, now that I've convinced them to remove that line of text from the contract I'm okay with agreeing to the rest of the contract.
It's essentially 90% of my current role plus a two or three added duties for a minor pay increase.

Bounce said:
Great news, just another prime example as why you should always read the contract /terms and conditions.
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Indeed, I'm one of those people who insists on reading everything multiple times before I sign an agreement.
 
My employer hired me on a probationary period.

They asked me to sign my contract after 2 months.

I noticed the probationary period was missing and I was listed as Permanent staff.

So I signed it... and when it came up in a meeting that I needed to have an enhanced performance management meeting to decide the probationary period outcome I asked them "what probationary period?"

They said, "the one in your contract". I whipped out a copy and asked where the wording was.

Their face was a picture.

They said they would sort the contract, which I refused as they need my consent to make any major changes to the contract.

It works in our favors too
 
suenstar said:
They said that it wasn't anything to worry about and that the front sheet of the contract they used was a sort of catch-all template, one that they could give to either an internal/external applicant and that the line would only apply for anyone external that was offered the job
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I'm not sure I'd buy that 100%, as why would an external applicant think [or even be able to argue] that their prior employment with another organisation would count towards their length of employment with this organisation?
 
Diagro said:
My employer hired me on a probationary period.

They asked me to sign my contract after 2 months.

I noticed the probationary period was missing and I was listed as Permanent staff.

So I signed it... and when it came up in a meeting that I needed to have an enhanced performance management meeting to decide the probationary period outcome I asked them "what probationary period?"

They said, "the one in your contract". I whipped out a copy and asked where the wording was.

Their face was a picture.

They said they would sort the contract, which I refused as they need my consent to make any major changes to the contract.

It works in our favors too
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That’s a cracker :D Did it work in the end?
 
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