self-defence weapon or not?

helpimcrap said:
Anyone remember Tony Martin?
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Yes. He obtained a gun illegally and shot people in the back, having planned to do so beforehand. That is a long way from self defence.

It's illegal to do anything more than ask them to put it back and please go away is the result of that from what i've heard.
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And I've heard that aircraft contrails are the secret world government dispersing mind control chemicals.

Everyone hears a lot of twaddle, especially nowadays when it can be spread so easily.

Just go to the Home Office website and you can find the real position. Or, if you care to spend rather more time getting a more detailed picture, you can look at records of court cases. Try to find one of someone being convicted on any charge from any form of defence. The handful of convictions involve things such as prolonged beating before throwing the intruder in a pit and setting fire to them (and yes, that's a real case of "self defence").

There's now a legal precedent partially sanctioning attempted murder in revenge. The attacker in that case got a suspended sentence and even that was portrayed as being pandering to the rights of criminals, denying people the right to defend themselves, blah blah blah.
 
Aeleys said:
No one said it wasn't a possible outcome of death, but to be honest he only had himself to blame...plus the 4 or so hours of no help would not apply in a situation of what we are talking about

actually, not sure whats the going time for cops/medics to come to a house call these days? must be near enough that so i guess you was right!!! damn...and there was me thinking i was a know it all :(
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I am not refering to the chap in the news report, but your claim that the potential outcomes from shooting someone in the thigh with a crossbow is somehow different to stabbing someone with a pocket knife...when that is not the case.

It is a very real danger that a bolt will sever or at least nick one of the arteries in the thigh! Given the likely penetration force it is potentially more likely, and without immediate (we are talking minutes, not hours) medical attention there is a high risk of death.

You would be better off hitting them with the crossbow rather than firing it at them....especially if they are moving, it is dark and you are not fully awake.....

Aeleys said:
i guess all the people who take things WAY too seriously on a forum wake up at around 12pm/1am...hmm must make a mental note of that at some point ;)
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The only person who seems to be getting irate and taking stuff too seriously is your good self by the sounds of it.
 
P3N9U1N said:
So someone has come to my house with the intent to steal my property etc, and I can not give them a good hiding, which I don't think is unfair. I think that is ridiculous, I see what your saying and I respect the law, but if I give a burgular what for, then the law is against me for defending my property, that is ludicrous. I don't condone attacking an intruder if they are genuinely trying to leave, but otherwise, I would condone 'unreasonable force'.
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You want to be able to beat someone up as revenge and punishment.

You claim that's defending your property.

That is not true. The two positions are completely different. Pick one and have the integrity to stand behind it. If you don't think your position is acceptable enough for you to honestly stand behind it, change your position.
 
Castiel said:
I am not refering to the chap in the news report, but your claim that the potential outcomes from shooting someone in the thigh with a crossbow is somehow different to stabbing someone with a pocket knife...when that is not the case.

It is a very real danger that a bolt will sever or at least nick one of the arteries in the thigh! Given the likely penetration force it is potentially more likely, and without immediate (we are talking minutes, not hours) medical attention there is a high risk of death.

You would be better off hitting them with the crossbow rather than firing it at them....especially if they are moving, it is dark and you are not fully awake.....



The only person who seems to be getting irate and taking stuff too seriously is your good self by the sounds of it.
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really? that's ok...i like debate and discussion especially about fictional scenarios that may or may not happen! it's like that time i got abducted and came back as a drunk naval pilot to fight off invading aliens...that was really scary

:p do you get the idea yet? or are you still insisting i'm actually telling the truth 100%? and none of this was to see how far some of the people on here can take not being right every single moment of their lives...

if its yet to sink in...its rather late, or early if you want to get technical and i assumed incorrectly that people up this late would be able to take a joke and notice sarcasm and completely made up gibberish :p who on earth with a minute sense of the law would ever take on a jumped up little fairy who has to STEAL others belongings to fund their retarded life, with our current justice system?...
 
Aeleys said:
really? that's ok...i like debate and discussion especially about fictional scenarios that may or may not happen! it's like that time i got abducted and came back as a drunk naval pilot to fight off invading aliens...that was really scary

:p do you get the idea yet? or are you still insisting i'm actually telling the truth 100%? and none of this was to see how far some of the people on here can take not being right every single moment of their lives...

if its yet to sink in...its rather late, or early if you want to get technical and i assumed incorrectly that people up this late would be able to take a joke and notice sarcasm and completely made up gibberish :p who on earth with a minute sense of the law would ever take on a jumped up little fairy who has to STEAL others belongings to fund their retarded life, with our current justice system?...
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Aye, easy to pretend you were only 'messing about' when shown the door.....:p
 
Castiel said:
Aye, easy to pretend you were only 'messing about' when shown the door.....:p
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LOL who's pretending? ;)

and what door do you speak of, sounds like a trap... i don't go to them sort of bars sorry.

anyway time to go do something productive, like make a sandwich. enjoy the rest of the morning!

p.s sorry if i upset anyone with my story telling :(
 
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Aeleys said:
LOL who's pretending? ;)

and what door do you speak of, sounds like a trap... i don't go to them sort of bars sorry.
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I would be very surprised if you were old enough to go into any bars...let alone 'those' ones.....

I love the irony that the person who persists he is winding people up is actually the only person getting wound up.
 
My air rifle is in the corner of my bedroom, I tend to leave it with a pellet in and the safety on.

It has a laser sight zeroed for accuracy at 5m and there's nothing to say I hadn't been shooting in the garden earlier that day and forgot it was loaded. I would fancy a smack over the head with the butt of it either.
 
frozennova said:
My air rifle is in the corner of my bedroom, I tend to leave it with a pellet in and the safety on.

It has a laser sight zeroed for accuracy at 5m and there's nothing to say I hadn't been shooting in the garden earlier that day and forgot it was loaded. I would fancy a smack over the head with the butt of it either.
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D'oh :(

I see where you're coming from and all, but I hope you don't have any kids who might have access to your rifle, especially if it's cocked and loaded when you are not present.
It's behaviour like that that make politicians attempt to circumscribe ownership of such things as air rifles and other types of firearms, when inevitably something goes horribly wrong and the anti shooting hand-wringers get their sweaty digits on a story like that.

For reference, mine live in the corner of the bedroom too, but neither is left loaded or cocked when not in use or in the case/slip. Plus I live alone.
Were it put to the test by the old bill, I doubt they'd fall for your 'forgot it was loaded' argument. As far as they're going to be concerned, you just left a loaded firearm unattended.

My personal favourite for uninvited guests is the trusty tomahawk that's part of my camping/outdoors kit, but they'd have fair warning to leave first. But the likelihood of such a scenario actually happening is slim to none; probably the first thing I'd reach for is the mobile.

As for the crossbows pictured on earlier pages... lol nice toys they are.
 
Crossbow? pretty sure you can't claim that as self defence.

90% of us would probably grab a touch or lamb or fire poker, it's only if you specificially have a weapon, such as a peice of wood or a knife in your room that you could claim it was used as self defence.

I was talking to my parents about this last night, I said how can my dad justify the big fishing knife he has next to his bed as self defence.

Dad: It's for peeling apples in bed
Me: Pretty sure thats overkill

He proceedes to eat an apple and says...

Dad: Well show me a jury that would convict you for stabbing someone in the arm or leg because they broke into your house and as a 60 year old man, I felt threatened.
Me: Not to mention you used to be a black belt in JuJitsu (not that he's going to Jackie Chan a burglar)
Dad: Plus if you kill them and bury them who's going to know
Me: ...........

I learned something very disturbing about my dad last night........he likes to eat fruit before bed
 
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I've got a camshaft out of an old Audi Coupe (5 cylinder) by my bed for this very reason... I've stripped many cars and have various bits and bobs in random places...

"I heard a noise and feared for my family officer. It was the first thing that came to hand... My apologies for the shape of his head!"

Sorry, but if you're entering my house, I don't know what your intentions are - but my intentions are to prevent you posing a threat... unconsciousness serves that purpose nicely!!
 
Crossbow bolt to the femoral is death in minutes not hours ... just saying. Kick someone in that region hard enough and you stop the heart.
 
I am surprised that so many people actually have various weapons by their bed in case they are burgled......there seems to be a significant amount of paranoid people frequenting OcUK.....
 
Angilion said:
Yes. He obtained a gun illegally and shot people in the back, having planned to do so beforehand. That is a long way from self defence.
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Are you sure it was illegally obtainted? The guy lived on a farm, not uncommon for farms to have shotguns? Two ****** broke into his house, was that planned too?

Edit:/ just double checked and you are indeed talking tosh!
 
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