Setting Up Roccat Kave

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I've recently bought a Roccat Kave with a Creative Fatality X-fi card.
I've set win 7 to use 5.1 and adjusted some of the sliders on the kave.
Is there a sweet spot or preferred settings?
I have tried multiple MKV's which are 5.1 encoded, not to mention BF3 but I'm not really ducking and diving in my seat. Any thoughts?
 
I have that head set, and an Asus Xonar DX. Movies with the right encoding really do sound amazing, you should also try some dolby test files or thx ones, or there's the subwoofer tests they really do sound amazing - the rumble!

Anyway, there is some setup involved, and assuming you can do the same things with your creative card as you can with the Xonar, here's what I did - on the headset itself I have all sliders at max, or just below, but I always keep the sub slider max'd, I also generally keep it on the movie setting but I can't say I've ever noticed any difference.

I didn't need to change anything windows config wise though this might be sound card specific, as I've configured the sound card settings directly. Mostly (except gaming where I specify an input of 8 channels) I have it set to 6 channel input. Sample rate PCM 192kbps, and analogue out of 5.1 speakers. I've not done any fancy effects like virtual 7.1 or anything as I don't really notice it. If you have a mixer, then everything is set to the same, around 80% full. Any environmental effects are turned off.

With this sound card and I would assume with yours too, I have something called "FlexBass", whereby I have it turned on, and all speakers are set to "small". I have the crossover frequency set to 120hz. These settings allow any bass output to go directly to the sub part of the headphones instead of through the speakers. Honestly this setting works incredibly - in games if I fire a shotgun or a grenade the vibration is incredible, but even better with explosions in films, or using very bassy tracks like the subwoofer mp3 tests.

For games I also have GX mode set to on, which is like EAX I think.

Lastly, although you are using 5.1 encoded mkv's - double check they are that, and in something like DTS or AC3, or AAC. Also a lot depends on how your codecs are setup, as most by default will remove any 5.1 encoding and output to stereo. What you want to ensure is that the ouput is the same as the input, I also use audio normalisation. Also make sure any pass through is turned off.

Finally it is worth checking that the audio plugs are in the correct outputs on your sound card - I know it sounds stupid, but, I have done it before, so use your sound card software to test each output separately to ensure it sounds correct.

These headsets are incredible, the surround sound is really good, maybe not quite as good as proper 5.1, but I find very close (as I do have both to compare), where these headsets excel though is the bass, the vibration in and around your ears is incredible, and way better than most other "real" systems I've used. Where they fall down slightly, is probably higher end listening, for high bitrate mp3s I also have a set of Creative Gigaworks T40s, which I have plugged into the same sound card (I use a stereo splitter for the front speakers). I just adjust my sound card settings accordingly, and you do get a far richer and deeper musical sound.
 
I didn't need to change anything windows config wise though this might be sound card specific, as I've configured the sound card settings directly. Mostly (except gaming where I specify an input of 8 channels) I have it set to 6 channel input. Sample rate PCM 192kbps, and analogue out of 5.1 speakers. I've not done any fancy effects like virtual 7.1 or anything as I don't really notice it. If you have a mixer, then everything is set to the same, around 80% full. Any environmental effects are turned off.

With this sound card and I would assume with yours too, I have something called "FlexBass", whereby I have it turned on, and all speakers are set to "small". I have the crossover frequency set to 120hz. These settings allow any bass output to go directly to the sub part of the headphones instead of through the speakers. Honestly this setting works incredibly - in games if I fire a shotgun or a grenade the vibration is incredible, but even better with explosions in films, or using very bassy tracks like the subwoofer mp3 tests.

For games I also have GX mode set to on, which is like EAX I think.

I have PCM set to 24 bit, 192000Hz (studio quality) in Windows Sound settings. This setting can be found by going to the properties of your sound card in Windows 7 and selecting the Advanced tab. Is that what you mean when you say yours is set to 192kbps? Also for the bass, Creative have this:



It's called Bass Redirection. I'm assuming that the same as yours? Not sure what you mean by all speakers set to small. Would ticking subwoofer gain help in the bass department too?
 
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Hi,

It looks the same kind of settings, I have screenshots here of everything I mentioned:

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The small setting is about the size of the speaker - for example when using my Creative T40s I set them to large. The way this works is that any speaker set to large will have the bass sent to it, by setting them all to small (which is exactly like a real 5.1 system), the bass will go to subwoofer instead of bothering the other speakers, which allows them to concentrate on the mids and highs (especially important in headphones as the speakers are really too small anyway for proper bass).

I will admit I don't have the Windows settings you are talking about, I think the asus drivers remove all those parts in Windows and deals with it all in its own app.
 
... Also for the bass, Creative have this:



It's called Bass Redirection. I'm assuming that the same as yours? Not sure what you mean by all speakers set to small. Would ticking subwoofer gain help in the bass department too?

I set mine the same as yours to test, but when i click on the little box to test, I hear nothing. If I disable redirection I hear it, just. The Win 7 test for the bass is very faint, even with the slider up to full.

I have fiddled with the sliders and while the Win 7 test sounds ok, I can't seem to find a good tester video. Can anyone recommend a good way of testing these out?
And how loud should the bass be? Should it be a loud rumble to almost vibrate the headphones? Because at the moment its a very faint noise.
 
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I set mine the same as yours to test, but when i click on the little box to test, I hear nothing. If I disable redirection I hear it, just. The Win 7 test for the bass is very faint, even with the slider up to full.

I have fiddled with the sliders and while the Win 7 test sounds ok, I can't seem to find a good tester video. Can anyone recommend a good way of testing these out?
And how loud should the bass be? Should it be a loud rumble to almost vibrate the headphones? Because at the moment its a very faint noise.

You should most definitely be feeling the sides of your face vibrating, it's quite powerful - here's a really good mp3 test file: http://sinan.ussakli.net/basstest/THX%20-%20Bass%20Test%20-%20Ultimate%20Subwoofer%20Test.mp3 which is the 6th song down in the old data section of this site: http://sinan.ussakli.net/basstest/
 
Hi,

The small setting is about the size of the speaker - for example when using my Creative T40s I set them to large. The way this works is that any speaker set to large will have the bass sent to it, by setting them all to small (which is exactly like a real 5.1 system), the bass will go to subwoofer instead of bothering the other speakers, which allows them to concentrate on the mids and highs (especially important in headphones as the speakers are really too small anyway for proper bass).

I will admit I don't have the Windows settings you are talking about, I think the asus drivers remove all those parts in Windows and deals with it all in its own app.

I think I've found the small speaker setting in Windows 7, the screen looks like this:



I had both boxes checked before and now I have unchecked them. Will this mean the bass will be passed to the sub woofer in the headset?

You should most definitely be feeling the sides of your face vibrating, it's quite powerful - here's a really good mp3 test file: http://sinan.ussakli.net/basstest/THX%20-%20Bass%20Test%20-%20Ultimate%20Subwoofer%20Test.mp3 which is the 6th song down in the old data section of this site: http://sinan.ussakli.net/basstest/

Wow the bass in that MP3 really does make the Kave vibrate! I tested it with Bass Redirection on and off. With it on the bass isn't as deep put has a higher range. With it off the base is deeper but seems lower in quality. Gonna fire up Battlefied 3 and see how setting the speakers to small sounds like.
 
OK just tested with Battlefield 3 and there is a lot more bass now that I have set the speakers to small :) I'm still getting a bit too much sound overall. In that I mean its difficult to hear each speaker in the headset when for example a chopper flys by. This can be resolved a bit by lowering the center and front sliders on the Kave controller, but then when there's action right in front of you its not very loud.

I'm gonna keep tinkering with the setup....
 
Thanks for the info so far people. That mp3 is great, but although I hear bass, it certainly isnt to face vibrating levels. I'm going to tinker also with the settings, must be a sweet spot.

I think I've found the small speaker setting in Windows 7, the screen looks like this:



I had both boxes checked before and now I have unchecked them. Will this mean the bass will be passed to the sub woofer in the headset?

Small update, I did what you did and the bass now does what It should do. It's actually an odd feeling, like my fillings are going to come out.
Only thing I think I need now is the right levels. I've tried lots of 5.1 files on youtube and some mkv's but the surround is just, meh. I had good spacial awareness with my old stereo headphones.
 
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Thanks for the info so far people. That mp3 is great, but although I hear bass, it certainly isnt to face vibrating levels. I'm going to tinker also with the settings, must be a sweet spot.



Small update, I did what you did and the bass now does what It should do. It's actually an odd feeling, like my fillings are going to come out.
Only thing I think I need now is the right levels. I've tried lots of 5.1 files on youtube and some mkv's but the surround is just, meh. I had good spacial awareness with my old stereo headphones.

Have you got transformers in HD? I use the beginning of that to test surround sound. It uses 5.1 really well and theres some bass in there too. I have Windows 7 set to 70% volume . Center and front are set half way up with rear just a bit more. Sub is almost to the top.

In Creative Control panel I have bass redirection set to 100Hz and the Subwoofer Gain (+15db) box checked. Having this checked really add to the bass :cool:
 
Wow that setting did the trick. I feel like my headphones are going to come off my head haha. Thanks for the info, I tried even Toy Story 3 and that sounded great. I'm not ducking and diving in my seat, but then, who is?
 
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Wow that setting did the trick. I feel like my headphones are going to come off my head haha. Thanks for the info, I tried even Toy Story 3 and that sounded great. I'm not ducking and diving in my seat, but then, who is?

Yeah it works well in movies but in games it takes away from the surround sound so I turn it off.
 
Nope I cant hear a difference, I alway use Game mode. Im tempted to get a Asus Xonar D1, just to see if that improves sound quality. Looking at those screen shots looks like the Xonar can do more.
 
True. Although I got my Creative card for a good price, I dunno if I want to fork out more money just yet. At the moment its hit and miss. But for now I'm happy. Thanks all so much for help.
 
There seems to be a trade off between bass and surround sound. If you have the surround sound slider higher than the center and front you get better surround sound but at the cost of virtually no base. If you lower the surround sound slider you get more base but also lose the sense of surround sound.

I've tried having the surround sound slider higher and then enabling bass redirection to 120Hz but in BF3 the bass kind of takes over and the overall sound gets too bassy. I wonder what I could do to introduce bass but still keep the surround sound... I think I'm asking too much from these £60 Kave headsets.
 
To icehot666: have you tried switching on dolby surround sound on your asus xonar card and feed the sound to your Roccatr Kaves? Id imagine with dolby the sound would have a bigger range.
 
To icehot666: have you tried switching on dolby surround sound on your asus xonar card and feed the sound to your Roccatr Kaves? Id imagine with dolby the sound would have a bigger range.

Do you mean the 7.1 virtual speaker shifter that's in the first screenshot?
 
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