Shocking convo about steroids

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Just having a conversation with a lad and steriods came up. This lad use to train a lot but hasnt been for over a year now, yet he seems to think that steroids are the answer. He said hes hoping to pack on huge weight and I qoute upto 15kgs by may :eek: and roids are the way to do it. Every "big" guy does it and the sooner people realise the sooner people will stop wasting their time training and getting no where.

I was trying to say that its pointless even considering them until

a) your diet is the absolute best
b) you have trained for years and have a lot of knowledge on how the body reacts
c) you have reached that absolute phyical max you can get and "want" not need to take it to that next level.

Quick qoute from the convo

"i really dont see the point in people going to the gym for years and not using steroids,as they never seem to get bigger. its demoralizing for em, it dosent take years to get there. why do u think every pro althlete and amateru athlete take steroids and performence enhacing drugs they just dont get caught."

That is quite a shocking perspective on things and I really cant imagine the strain this would put on your body :eek:
 
15kg in under two months? I'm not going to pretend to be knowledgeable about it but that doesn't sound anything like a clean bulk to me, steroids or not.

Pro athletes have doctors, nutritionists and various other personnel who have good knowledge of how the body works and reacts. I'm not going to say flat out that this guy doesn't know his stuff but from what you've quoted it sounds like he doesn't have much of a clue and would be exactly the sort of person to mess himself up with steroids.
 
The gyms in this country start to fill up with these idiots around about now, just about gives them time to blow themselves up like big water babies in time for summer... sad but true. Fact is they're too lazy to do it properly and see steroids as a shortcut.

I've no beef with people who take this route, it's their life... what I can't stand is their demeanor in the gym, drives me mad! :rolleyes:

(I'm not talking about all gear users, just these shortcut monkeys... the guys who do it properly are usually sound)
 
How exactly do steroids work and give this 'cheat' to uber muscle? I know nothing about them but to be fair from what I've read so far, if you could get to your goal in 2 years fairly or 6months on roids, it's pretty clear which one makes the most sense?
 
Doesn't anybody want to lift weights for their own good health and strength? It's all about body building these days.
 
The biggest problem with steriods is that they work too well.

I've not tried any myself but know a few who have and they made amazing gains in size and strength.

However, R5Rich, the advice you give is spot on because there are risks. I know of people who have developed quite unpleasant side effects and even damaged their health through their use.
 
Ah just found a list of side effects.

sodium retention, acne, gynecomastia, aggression, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, palpitations, enlarged heart, virilization, cancer, decreased blood clotting ability, headaches, anxiety, depression, impotence, stomach aches, jaundice, muscle tears, enlarged prostate, premature hair loss, stunted growth, immune system suppression, insomnia, sterility, and anaphylactic shock.

Quite a few there that have cut my interest :P
 
Paramount said:
Ah just found a list of side effects.

sodium retention, acne, gynecomastia, aggression, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, palpitations, enlarged heart, virilization, cancer, decreased blood clotting ability, headaches, anxiety, depression, impotence, stomach aches, jaundice, muscle tears, enlarged prostate, premature hair loss, stunted growth, immune system suppression, insomnia, sterility, and anaphylactic shock.

Quite a few there that have cut my interest :P
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Yep! One to add to the list is that not all users get the physiques they hope for. One chap i know ended up with shoulders that were way too wide for the rest of him. I know a couple of others who gained a lot of fat with the muscle and looked horrible!
 
R5Rich said:
I was trying to say that its pointless even considering them until

a) your diet is the absolute best
b) you have trained for years and have a lot of knowledge on how the body reacts
c) you have reached that absolute phyical max you can get and "want" not need to take it to that next level.
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But that's not true. Reaching your absolute physical max would require say 20 years of living and training like a robot. And the importance and effect of diet is pushed out of the way by gear.

That list, Paramount, should be treated like any other list of potential side effects. You'll find many nasty ones on the leaflet for Acetaminophen (paracetamol). Some are common (water retention, acne, virilisation (you're a man already..)), some frequent but controllable (gynecomastia, temporary reduced sperm count), and some are just rubbish. Muscle tears? That's what you go to the gym for. Cancer? Never proven. Stunted growth - if you're <18. Jaundice - only if using hepatotoxic orals for long periods. Hair loss - only if you're genetically susceptible to male pattern baldness.

Like most drugs they can be used and abused, IME/IMO sensible use in a healthy man is quite safe, abuse is not.
 
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People who take them are uneducated and vain, good knows what damage they are doing to the body + vital organs, not natural and not healthy.
 
I dont have issues with people doing it, I just find it od that people who basically want to "short cut" quite disturbing(he did say he wanted to get ready for summer so this is main reason he wants to do it). I mean with anything in life you get out of it what you put in and all the big guys didnt start a few months ago.

Paracelsus the points I was trying to get across to him are pretty true, some people reach plateus before others as work is a big deciding factor in training surely? And if you dont train and eat well in the first place then you obviously have little understanding on training. It takes a while for people to find a training regime that suits them and looking on the internet you can find 1000s of different methods and how they are all "the absolute best".

Just to make clear I dont have issues with people taking them but I do find it concerning that people can be that lazy as to not really wanting to put any effort into it.
 
why not take a short cut if you can get the body you want in 6 months instead of a year plus why not

also whats wrong with wanting a nice body for summer
 
Sem said:
why not take a short cut if you can get the body you want in 6 months instead of a year plus why not
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If you don't know what you are doing then you can do yourself some serious damage. And I find there is also a greater sense of satisfaction if you have to seriously work at something to achieve the results, I know I have less appreciation for the things I can simply "do" rather than the things I've struggled to achieve.

Sem said:
also whats wrong with wanting a nice body for summer
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I don't think anyone is saying there is anything wrong with it, just objecting to the way it sounds like this guy is trying to go about it with a lack of information and knowledge about the potential consequences.
 
iv actually wondered a few times about roids, as i want to join the armed forces and im pretty unfit right now, so its a quick way to boost myself up to a better fitness to then work from, starting getting fit is so disheartening but im ploddin on with it :)
I can see why some people want to do it, its a very attractive prospect if done responsibly with reasoning, but most reasonable people will opt to do it the clean way instead.
 
I people have the right attitude to them then steroids are just a useful supplement and booster - people who use them as a shortcut and because they can't be arsed to train hard and properly as well as mainly having the wrong attitude towards them I have no time for. If people want to use them sensibly and know what they are doing I have no issues. Personally I'd never use them as I'm not THAT serious about bodybuilding, I mainly hit the gym for fitness, a bit of vanity, and physical improvement - becoming a bigger stronger person as a result is a nice side effect! :D
 
peetee just before xmas i decided i'm gonna join the army royal engineers is my actual goal as i want to learn a trade at the same time. i started training early jan and was a not a very healthy 15st i'm now 14st and can run 3 miles non stop, i feel healthier and now enjoy going to the gym.
 
Steroids aren't as risk free as a lot of people make out either, the way some attitudes are you'd think they were talking about protein powder. Very few are upto the level that they should at before taking them... I think I'm at that level now, I've pretty much hit my genetic limit and it's become impossible really to add any more muscle without unacceptable fat gain aswell.

Until you get to that point, you aren't ready for gear imho.

They are to take you above and beyond what you're naturally capable of.... not a shortcut. To take steroids you have to be more knowledgable and dedicated than any natural trainee, you have to train harder, for longer you have to eat cleaner, no drinking, etc...

If you can't do that and you're using steroids you're an idiot and deserve everything that's coming to you tbh.
 
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