Shocking convo about steroids

That's the problem with people I see around my area CW.

They'll be taking steroids (usually quite young, doubt they trained naturally for long) and at the same time they'll be out hammering the beer and whatever else at the weekend. I can't even imagine what they are doing to their body.

I'd agree you are at that stage now, you've been training a long time and you've been dedicated to it. Once you stop using though you'll slowly return to your natural limit though will you not? Personally I don't see the point unless you want to compete...
 
do the worlds strongest men use steriods ? i know Mariusz Pudzianowski got banned for using a banned enhancing drug one year. those guys are huge.
 
dustiestrat said:
do the worlds strongest men use steriods ? i know Mariusz Pudzianowski got banned for using a banned enhancing drug one year. those guys are huge.
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There is no way on gods eath that Mariusz is natural.

I'd imagine a fair few of them if not the majority take steroids.
 
digitalwolf said:
Do steriods cut down the rest time allowing you to go nearly every day of the week or do they just fill your muscles with water??
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There are many different types and combos but to answer your question yes, some will improve recovery time allowing you to train harder for longer and more often.

Some do make you hold water aswell, others do the opposite.
 
You are getting more testosterone than you would naturally, this means that when you train you will grow a lot more than you would naturally.

Some people will train with more volume when cycling, but it's not essential
 
Wardie said:
Once you stop using though you'll slowly return to your natural limit though will you not? Personally I don't see the point unless you want to compete...
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Your body will shrink, you only have to look at some of the BBers that have come off the gear in recent years and see how their body has got smaller in comparison to the 'on' years. That said, not all BBers are on gear, there are clean comps and also comps that are more open to usage.

I'm not at the stage of needing or wanting to use at the moment, too much bodyfat!


Agree with CW regarding the training, you have to be even more on top of your game, both nutrition and workout, when taking steroids.
 
Wardie said:
That's the problem with people I see around my area CW.

They'll be taking steroids (usually quite young, doubt they trained naturally for long) and at the same time they'll be out hammering the beer and whatever else at the weekend. I can't even imagine what they are doing to their body.

I'd agree you are at that stage now, you've been training a long time and you've been dedicated to it. Once you stop using though you'll slowly return to your natural limit though will you not? Personally I don't see the point unless you want to compete...
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Depending on what type of gear you use some gains will be kept better than others. Also from what I've seen, there is some carry over. What I mean is I've seen lads take gear in the past but are natural now and they can get bigger than they could before... it seems as though it raises the ceiling a little bit??

Not sure how much truth there is in that but I believe I'm right upto a point, certainly in strength aswell. It makes sense? If you could bench press 100kg for 8 reps when natural and then did a load of gear and your bench shot upto 150kg for 8 reps... you'd always keep some of that strength gain, you wouldn't just suddenly plummet back down to 100kg?

Saying that though I've seen steroids wreck more people than it's helped, very few seem to carry on training naturally after they've turned to the dark side. Most are now big fat lumps! That's a big factor in me never trying them... once you've tasted it can you go back?
 
There are certain "stunting" side effects that really do make me think why..........

I'd rather not walk around soo big that people think steroids anyway but they have a range of such ill side effects.
 
digitalwolf said:
There are certain "stunting" side effects that really do make me think why..........

I'd rather not walk around soo big that people think steroids anyway but they have a range of such ill side effects.
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There are also ways to negate that to an extent.

There are side effects to everything that you eat and drink even in a normal diet..
 
digitalwolf said:
There are certain "stunting" side effects that really do make me think why..........

I'd rather not walk around soo big that people think steroids anyway but they have a range of such ill side effects.
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Most people will think 'steroids' if they see a moderately sized natural trainer. As soon as anyone who knows nothing about training see's someone who has been training well for a while, they almost assume the person takes steroids.
 
I have been told by a mate that has done them that the main male sex organ isn't really effected by steroids or the ones he was on anyway.

Other organs in that regoin were "hampered" so he stopped doing them.

I wouldnt really want to take the chance tbh.
 
Wardie said:
Most people will think 'steroids' if they see a moderately sized natural trainer. As soon as anyone who knows nothing about training see's someone who has been training well for a while, they almost assume the person takes steroids.
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I know, see, people that are pretty built at gyms etc.

There are some people I see that are very young, say 20 tops, that are MASSIVE. It isn't possible to get as big as they are in soo little time they have been training.

Surely you are hampered by your body type when being on a steroid course? Some people just naturally are not wide so do not have a good base to work on?
 
digitalwolf said:
I have been told by a mate that has done them that the main male sex organ isn't really effected by steroids or the ones he was on anyway.

Other organs in that regoin were "hampered" so he stopped doing them.

I wouldnt really want to take the chance tbh.
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Again, research and knowledge is key, there are ones which are easier on the body and also there are ways to help with things. Doing steroids on their own is stupid.
 
Paracelsus said:
But that's not true. Reaching your absolute physical max would require say 20 years of living and training like a robot. And the importance and effect of diet is pushed out of the way by gear.
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Could you explain why you think this? :confused:
 
I think he means that when you are using gear, even if your diet is slightly off you will still make more gains than a natural.

When you're natural you need to really do everything as best as you can to get good results, especially as the time you've been training increases.
 
Wardie said:
I think he means that when you are using gear, even if your diet is slightly off you will still make more gains than a natural.

When you're natural you need to really do everything as best as you can to get good results, especially as the time you've been training increases.
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But by the same token you're more sensitive to the health effects of poor diet.
 
There is a lot of media hype about steroids, and a lot of misinformed people are looking at these misguided and false documentries and forming opinions on steroids purely on this. Weather it be the usual documentries that classes steroids as bad as heroine and blow their use all out of proportion or it be 1 coming from other misguided people who think that there are no side-effects and gear is as safe as taking (as said above) protein powder.
A lot of people need to take these documentries/tv programs/news stories with a large pinch of salt as obviously they are going to be biased in 1 way. The best way to form a more educated opinion on them is to do research themselves and see how they work, what potential side effects they have etc.
Obviously steroids have loads of potential side effects, and as different people react differently to different substances the side effects person A has will be different to person B. Some of these side effects can potentially be deadly, but most of these side effects can be minimised by having good knowledge and taking the appropriate action to counteract these sides. For example you can use things like "Milk Thistle" to help you protect your liver, Nolva to help protect against gynocomastia etc.
The deadly side effect really only rear their head rarely (i believe there have only ever been a few deaths proven to be directly linked to steroids) and this happens when the user in question either already has major health problems anyway and the steroid taking is only going to make it worse, or if your really abuse gear and I mean really abusing. For example a well known pro is now on a dialysis machine because for years he was abusing steroids (but people have to understand these guys cant take what they take becasue they are genetic freaks and will be able to handle more gear usage than us, and probably dont show as many side effects) he was taking well over 10X the recommended dosages of some substances.
So obviously steroids have their side effects and can potentially be very dangerous, but with the right knowledge and a good head on your shoulders you can make steroids work well for you and make good gains without putting your health in jepordy.

As long as users now that the following is key when using steroids they should make good gains and be able to cut down on side effects (no particular order)

1. Knowledge
2. Sound diet
3. Sound training plan
4. Plenty of rest
5. Planned health checks
6. Using appropriate substances for your goals
7. Using correct dosages for you experience.
8. Correct pct meds, and other ancillaries.

So as long as people know what their doing steroids are not nearly as bad as they are made out.
 
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