Shocking New Houses

I'm not even remotely surprised. The house builder may care about the quality of the build, but the subcontractors certainly don't give a ****.

I work for a sub contractor and many of these issues are caused by poorly run sites. Things getting fitted when they shouldn't be and everyone knows that they are going to cause issues but we are told by the site manger to go ahead anyway. Way too many houses are rushed and things are often missed, we were one of 5 trades on site once in the morning trying to finish a plot for handover in the afternoon!
 
you're not really thinking about this very well - Kronos has already pointed out that driver phone in sick with a cold or a cough etc... he's criticising something they already do and I'm pointing out that it is actually a good thing that they do it

Yes Kronos was pointing out how people taking time off for work for a cough or cold was a pointer to how bad peoples attitudes towards work is, as they are not reasons to have a day off sick. He wasn't praising them for their concientious decision not to kill the eldery for the day. And the delivery driver wasn't having the day off for that reason either. And the delivery company wouldn't function at this time of the year if everyone with a cough or cold didn't go into work.

no it isn't, if you're sick then don't come into work... it isn't exactly rocket science

Having a cough or a cold is not a valid enough reason to not come into work. Unless say, you are in a specific job working with immunio suppressed people say in the ITU ward of a hospital, as a caveat since we know how pedantic people are around here.
 
not that isn't what I've suggested, perhaps try responding to what has actually posted rather than projecting

Not projecting at all, you've come up with some utopian scenario where everyone discloses an illness and doesn't work that day in fear of passing it on to someone else, you do realise the germs or virus can be passed on before it's taken effect and you even know you're ill? It's even more far-fetched when many of these delivery drivers have to work as much as possible for a sustainable income.
 
Yes Kronos was pointing out how people taking time off for work for a cough or cold was a pointer to how bad peoples attitudes towards work is, as they are not reasons to have a day off sick. He wasn't praising them for their concientious decision not to kill the eldery for the day. And the delivery driver wasn't having the day off for that reason either

I know he wasn't and that is totally irrelevant to my point.

Having a cough or a cold is not a valid enough reason to not come into work. Unless say, you are in a specific job working with immunio suppressed people say in the ITU ward of a hospital.

Yes it is a valid reason, it doesn't just affect immunosuppressed people either, you just need one ****** to try and be a hero and it spreads around the whole office... then people with little kids catch it, people who look after elderly relatives catch it etc..

in the case of delivery drivers they're interacting with multiple people very day
 
if i'm paying £325k for a house there's no way on Earth i should HAVE to fix it myself.
Bit broad.

My house is worth a little more than that (paid a little less) and I have to fix it all the bloody time. It's over 100 years old, though (some of it).

With new houses, you get a period of warranty under which you get these things fixed. Surely it's the expectation that you will need to make use of it(?)
 
Slipping standards is definitely something I've noticed. Our town is currently plagued by new builds being thrown up left, right and centre despite the local council refusing them. They're being over-ruled by the county. We even have some houses built more than 5 years ago which have never had an occupier.

Examples include an entire street where the builders 'forgot' to put lintels in over the windows. An entire freaking street. HOW?!?! Another was cavity walls that filled with crap that water was unable to drain so multiple streets of houses were suffering damp and flood problems.

Another example was a series of 8 'executive homes' where every single one of them has now had a full roof replacement (timbers and all) in the space of 5 years. These houses were priced at about 4x the local average.
 
Not projecting at all, you've come up with some utopian scenario where everyone discloses an illness and doesn't work that day in fear of passing it on to someone else, you do realise the germs or virus can be passed on before it's taken effect and you even know you're ill? It's even more far-fetched when many of these delivery drivers have to work as much as possible for a sustainable income.

yes I do realise diseases can be passed on before you know your ill, that doesn't change my point, no I haven't come up with a utopian scenario - the poster has stated that drivers ARE phoning into work sick when they have a cough/cold... they're already doing it - he's criticising it and I'm saying it is a good thing they do it.
 
I work for a sub contractor and many of these issues are caused by poorly run sites. Things getting fitted when they shouldn't be and everyone knows that they are going to cause issues but we are told by the site manger to go ahead anyway. Way too many houses are rushed and things are often missed, we were one of 5 trades on site once in the morning trying to finish a plot for handover in the afternoon!

I can imagine that it's not easy. Some things, as you say, are obviously due to poorly run sites. But if you have a job to do then surely it should be done properly? Not talking about you specifically, but the people I dealt with it was like half a job was fine, as long as they could move on.

For example, it transpired that about 10cm into the grass in our garden, they'd laid concrete. They have to have at least 30 cm of topsoil suitable for cultivation there, IIRC. I dug five pilot holes to find out how extensive it was, and it was the entire garden. We didn't want to plant in the main lawn, though, so I left that (more because my other half insisted, I wanted them to do as much work as required to fix it, but there you go).

So I was told they'd be round on a Monday. Leave the gate open. I left the gate open, got home later that day and they hadn't been. Locked the gate (of course), and the next day I got a call saying, your gate is locked we can't do the work. I was like "well duh, you were supposed to come yesterday."

Rearranged the date for a week later. They did show up. I came home and had a look at what they'd done - the groundworks contractor had dug my pilot holes down to 30 cm and that was it! I was obviously unhappy and eventually it was rectified, but it's just a typical example of how they waste time doing, frankly, stupid ****.
 
Yes it is a valid reason

No it isn't.

it doesn't just affect immunosuppressed people either, you just need one ****** to try and be a hero and it spreads around the whole office... then people with little kids catch it, people who look after elderly relatives catch it etc

Yes, so to stop the spread you can have no contact with anyone. What about going to the pharmacy to pick up your perscription, oh no I may kill another eldery person by passing it on. You are stretching a stupid point to beyond reasonableness.

in the case of delivery drivers they're interacting with multiple people very day

And they are still contagious before any symptoms show, those evil killers :mad:

People interact with others all day every day, the system wouldn't function if everyone took over a week off everytime they got a cold.
 
Pretty sure there have been programs on tv moaning about shoddy house building for at least about 20 years.

The massive, depressing Bradley Stoke development in Bristol (I've heard it said it's the largest housing estate in Europe - no idea if that's true, seems unlikely) was built starting in the late '80s and was nicknamed 'Sadly Broke' due to complaints over build quality.

It's not a 'these days' new thing, is what I'm saying.
 
the poster has stated that drivers ARE phoning into work sick when they have a cough/cold... they're already doing it - he's criticising it

Because they are bunking off as they are lazy, not because they have the welfare of the eldery and immunio suppressed in their consideration.

and I'm saying it is a good thing they do it.

For what is a silly reason.
 
yes I do realise diseases can be passed on before you know your ill, that doesn't change my point, no I haven't come up with a utopian scenario - the poster has stated that drivers ARE phoning into work sick when they have a cough/cold... they're already doing it - he's criticising it and I'm saying it is a good thing they do it.

Phoning in the odd day with a cough/cold isn't going to do much if you've worked the previous day or go back the next, just smells like an easy excuse for the day off with the other ones he's mentioned like girlfriends birthdays and what not.

Edit: Will use the other thread.
 
I can imagine that it's not easy. Some things, as you say, are obviously due to poorly run sites. But if you have a job to do then surely it should be done properly? Not talking about you specifically, but the people I dealt with it was like half a job was fine, as long as they could move on.

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While you maybe paying £500,000+ for your Persimmon Homes they don't pay sub contractors the price of a premium house. They want as many as up as possible so would rather you move on to the next plot than take too much time to get a perfect finish. We do have house builders that do want that perfect finish so these are priced accordingly. This doesn't excuse things where there is cills, slabs, etc missing and things broken. I find that ridiculous that some of these plots were singed off which so many issues.
 
Anyway, back to houses.

Yes modern houses do seem a bit crap in general, since everything is built to the minimum specification/cheapest possible. But some of those issues like cracks in the wall are normal aren't they?

New house settle, cracks appear. Fill them and get on with your life :p
 
Anyway, back to houses.

Yes modern houses do seem a bit crap in general, since everything is built to the minimum specification/cheapest possible. But some of those issues like cracks in the wall are normal aren't they?

New house settle, cracks appear. Fill them and get on with your life :p

If built properly you should factor in a settlement period. New houses don't. When I specify a concrete structure it's a minimum of 6 weeks before anyone is allowed to apply renders or screeds.
 
I think it has always been like that. My father bought a new build in 1995 and had no end of problems with it. All fixed in the end though. Our house is 1970 so even though it has no problems when we bought it. It needed a lot of work to make it more modern.

The biggest major difference between new and old builds is you get more land in a old build, most new builds have non existent front gardens and forget fitting more than one car on the drive. Bigger rooms because they don't have 3 unnecessary bathrooms and no stud walls. Also most new estates have a road network barely big enough to fit a single car down. The road outside our house is almost A road size!
 
wow, has the bbc turned into the daily mail? sensational stuff!!
The reason that every building contract has a defect liability period states is to deal with snagging! I'm more surprised that 2% of buyers hadn't reported anything!
Volume housebuilders are notorious for lacking quality control, basically everything is subcontracted down and responsibility is diluted, this has never changed so I don't understand why people are surprised by it still - don't buy the rubbish they are producing and they won't keep supplying rubbish!
 
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