Shorter working day
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Avenged7Fold;30483508 said:
No not at all, if anything it could make my days easier due to access, shut downs etc...
I just don't understand why people feel the only need to work 6 a day, either physically or mentally? If it is due to crazy commutes, while I personally could never commute via train/tube that is not the job at fault surely?
A typical secondary school day is 7+ hours isn't it?
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MeEsH BaKkA;30483758 said:
When I were a lad, back in the mid
However, that included a 15 minute break mid morning and afternoon, plus a 100 minute lunch break.
Lesson time was ~4 hours 50 minutes per day, less time lost moving between classes (most lessons were double slots).
Rroff;30483121 said:
In the future society really has to shift to ore people working form home wherever possible to stop the commuting, have different working time tables, and flexi-time, including getting rid of the whole stupid weekend + working week. There are 7 days in a week to work from.
As a programmer I can only do about 6 hours of actual work in a day, far too mentally draining to do more over a long time. But there are other things to do in the day so one tends to stretch things out to 8 hours. Overall i am just as productive with 8 hours or 6 hours working day, and depending on my schedule I alternate between the 2. I also do things like work a 5 hour day in the week but catch up on the weekend. 2-3 hours of work on a Sunday morning can be amazingly productive.
You tend to act differently with a longer day as well, you will slowly get yourself going, take a morning break, a long lunch, afternoon break etc. When I have 6 hours I tend to jump right in, have 15 minutes for lunch, no real breaks. If i start early might skip lunch altogether.
You tend to act differently with a longer day as well, you will slowly get yourself going, take a morning break, a long lunch, afternoon break etc. When I have 6 hours I tend to jump right in, have 15 minutes for lunch, no real breaks. If i start early might skip lunch altogether.
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We tried this in a company I worked at previously. Productivity wasn't affected, but people worked harder during those shorter hours.
After the experiment, people went back to longer hours as they were hourly paid and they didn't want to lose their money. During the experiment we paid them the equivalent of an 8 or 10hr shift.
Shame they didn't implement it as it proved that productivity and efficiency was not affected, but the intensity of work was all that was missing.
In industries where a culture of "clock watching" goes on, it'll never work. In a more dynamic work force, or one, at least where younger directors are in place, I have found that flexible working to be as good at delivering results as not. This is anecdotal from my own experiences - but still, I think from the change management work I have done professionally I have seen enough evidence for me to think it should work.
What is key, is that cultural change to create that paradigm shift in behaviours. Until that happens it is too disruptive for most industries.
After the experiment, people went back to longer hours as they were hourly paid and they didn't want to lose their money. During the experiment we paid them the equivalent of an 8 or 10hr shift.
Shame they didn't implement it as it proved that productivity and efficiency was not affected, but the intensity of work was all that was missing.
In industries where a culture of "clock watching" goes on, it'll never work. In a more dynamic work force, or one, at least where younger directors are in place, I have found that flexible working to be as good at delivering results as not. This is anecdotal from my own experiences - but still, I think from the change management work I have done professionally I have seen enough evidence for me to think it should work.
What is key, is that cultural change to create that paradigm shift in behaviours. Until that happens it is too disruptive for most industries.
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I'm a strong believer in a good balance between "work time" and "leisure time," I think it can definitely improve our overall well-being, as well as improving the quality of our work hours (long shifts in physically demanding jobs risk injury, long shifts in mentally demanding such as doctors risk incorrect drugs/amounts etc.).
But there's also the strong possibility of bosses expecting an unreasonable amount of work done in those hours, with employees taking liberties with health & safety and/or protocol to appear to get things done.
But there's also the strong possibility of bosses expecting an unreasonable amount of work done in those hours, with employees taking liberties with health & safety and/or protocol to appear to get things done.
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esoteric;30483843 said:
No. The whole point is to get rid of the "40 hour" clock watching mentality.
IF you can achieve as much in 5hrs and be productive, and the other 3 hours you're not being productive, why work those extra 3 hours?
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With automation replacing many jobs, I think shorter hours (or part-time work) is the answer. Job-sharing will create more jobs and potentially take those who got made redundant due to automation.
I've been in 2 admin roles now. 1st role was a 42-hour week. 2nd (current) role is a 30-hour week. I'm paid pretty much the same now as back then, about £13.5k. Guess which job I'm happier in?
I've been in 2 admin roles now. 1st role was a 42-hour week. 2nd (current) role is a 30-hour week. I'm paid pretty much the same now as back then, about £13.5k. Guess which job I'm happier in?
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I would like shorter hours wouldnt we all....
But problem is people are still v productive after a long day so why have additional costs?
But problem is people are still v productive after a long day so why have additional costs?
iud rather a longer working day and fewer days.
currently do 4 9.75 days.
was hoping they where going to roll out the 3 day 12 hour shift 4 days off but they didnt.
a shorter day is still a fairly useless day a day off though i can use
currently do 4 9.75 days.
was hoping they where going to roll out the 3 day 12 hour shift 4 days off but they didnt.
a shorter day is still a fairly useless day a day off though i can use
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I can't see a standard shorter working day/week ever becoming the norm in the UK but can definitely see flexible working becoming the norm, at least in certain industries.
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Flex working would be a start!
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Tefal;30484299 said:
I agree, I am currently working 10-6 nights Monday-Friday. I used to work 7-7 nights Monday-Thursday and I would much rather be back on the 4 day week I don't particularly get much more done in the few extra hours in the day but with a whole extra day I could do a lot more stuff.