Should capital punishment be brought back?

That is our system of justice , if there was any doubt the verdict would have indicated that. This is the whole point of the argument that we are discussing
Yes and it's why we decided against killing people because of their crimes decades ago.

Also we don't do this when passing a verdict...

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I'm more interested in all these seers we apparently have, with their ability to see into the future why haven't they told everyone how make free energy. :D
 
With some people like the Yorkshire Ripper who described in detail what they did to their victims and there is zero doubt he did it,

what was the point in keeping him alive in prison for 40 odd years though. To punish him, well homeless people who could have been housed with that money suffered more than him while he was in jail.
 
With some people like the Yorkshire Ripper who described in detail what they did to their victims and there is zero doubt he did it,

what was the point in keeping him alive in prison for 40 odd years though. To punish him, well homeless people who could have been housed with that money suffered more than him while he was in jail.

That money is factored into our system of justice but it us a political decision how money is spent. I don't believe that we can say that money is wasted here, spend it on this instead.

Also although capital punishment is administered by the courts it still requires ratification by the Home Secretary of the day. An appointment without necessarily having experience of the judicial system or a belief in the death sentence either.
 
With some people like the Yorkshire Ripper who described in detail what they did to their victims and there is zero doubt he did it,

what was the point in keeping him alive in prison for 40 odd years though. To punish him, well homeless people who could have been housed with that money suffered more than him while he was in jail.
if your main concern is money, then capital punishment is far more expensive, so then this is the completely wrong direction
 
Absolutely not on capital punishment.

Not surprising to see which way the yays and nays feel amongst the regulars here though.
it is typical of the far right. They lack emotional intelligence, they see the world in simplified black and white and cannot comprehend the legal and social complexities so propose a supposedly simple but ineffective solution .
 
it is typical of the far right. They lack emotional intelligence, they see the world in simplified black and white and cannot comprehend the legal and social complexities so propose a supposedly simple but ineffective solution .

Don't worry, we are dying out and in the UK a sea change is taking place in our major cities, "new blood" is appearing.

Whether you'll find the new "Brits" any more palatable than us old time "far right" guys and gals, time will tell. This article shows where this sea change of demographics may be taking things, emotional intelligence and black and white simplification wise. What do you reckon, is this more to your liking?


"A Birmingham mosque with a long history of hosting controversial speeches recently awarded millions in taxpayers’ cash has had its grant paused after a GB News investigation.

The Green Lane Masjid and Community Centre in Birmingham was awarded £2.2million from the government’s Youth Investment Fund this month to expand its youth services.



The grant, from the Department of Culture, Media and Sport, was awarded for the development of a new youth centre offering programmes on leadership, critical thinking, arts and culture and “empowering marginalised communities,” according to BirminghamLive.
Distribution of the funds is being managed by Social Investment Business (SIB), but GB News understands that funding to the Green Lane Masjid and Community Centre has been paused while the SIB investigates allegations raised by this broadcaster about the mosque’s links to controversial and extremist speakers.

The funding pause comes amid a GB News investigation that revealed that the mosque has a lengthy record of hosting controversial speeches that denigrate women, promote homophobia, and praise extreme punishments such as chopping off the hands of thieves.


GB News understands that some due diligence checks were conducted before funds were awarded to all beneficiaries, including the Green Lane Masjid and Community Centre.
But this broadcaster has reviewed footage of recent lectures given by Green Lane-linked cleric Abu Usamah, where he made further shocking claims.
In a lecture in Leeds last year, the preacher criticised people campaigning for women’s rights in Iran amid the regime’s crackdown on the hijab.
He said: “Every so many years we always get these kinds of people, who jump up and down about the huriya [freedom] of the woman.
“Well Islam came and freed the woman, when she practises Islam correctly and when we practise Islam correctly.”


The preacher defended how Islamic societies like Iran treat women while attacking the West.


He said: “In the West, the woman is a piece of lahm [meat]. You want to sell some shoes, a car, tires, toothbrush.

“Just put a woman on there with no clothes on. So we’re not going to get on the back foot and be defensive and apologise.”

Preacher Abu Usamah told another Green Lane Masjid audience in September 2019 that he supports the Islamic punishment of chopping off the hands of thieves before scorching the stump with boiling oil.

He added that he believes that this punishment is an effective deterrent: “We are going to do that in the Muslim world.

“That’s what they used to do in the Muslim world, and in some places they still do it.

“And I believe in that. And I believe that it is a deterrent, as well. And I won’t bite my tongue for anyone about ‘Oh, look how barbaric that is,’ because if we were to start to talk about … the way they do punishment here in the West is worse.”

The Green Lane Masjid featured in the 2007 documentary titled Undercover Mosque where preacher Abu Usamah was filmed saying “take that homosexual man and throw him from the mountain.”
The sheikh also said that women were intellectually “deficient” and that “it takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man.”
He still preaches at the taxpayer-funded Green Lane mosque."


Sounds like "your gang" shouldn't be too smug with some of your posts with how the "far right" (especially the older members) will peg out and natural selection in deference to the better educated youth will bring joy and harmony.

Rubbing the Right's noses in multicultaralism may be biting your liberal views on the backside as you type. Be careful of what your simplified wishes may bring, punishment wise.
 
Any Proof of this? outside of america i mean.
Well, most developed countries don't have the death penalty for very good reason, so America is the best comparison. But yes, in general it costs far more in legal work and it is not like the process is quick, it takes often a decade or more
 
To answer the OP…. No of course not.

It doesn’t act as a deterrent, it’s horrifically error prone, and it’s significantly more expensive than life imprisonment.

You’d have to be pretty deranged or completely brain dead to want to see it return given the data.
 
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if your main concern is money, then capital punishment is far more expensive, so then this is the completely wrong direction

Capital punishment, in so far as the act of killing a criminal is remarkably cheap, gallows, electric chair or lethal overdose wise. What costs a pernicious amount of money is protracted legal arguments and counter arguments. I am sure in places like Iran they have closed such specious, time consuming and costly argie bargie :) if we streamlined many appeal processes the justice system could accelerate to a barely viable speeds instead of going backwards led by bent, avaricious and often politicaly led lawyers with anti UK intent
 
To answer the OP…. No of course not.

It doesn’t act as a deterrent, it’s horrifically error prone, and it’s significantly more expensive than life imprisonment.

You’d have to be pretty deranged to want to see it return given the data.

Would you accept the results of a referendum on bringing back capital punishment, any more than you did for that of leaving the European Union? Or like Germany is heading, would you only embrace a vote on a matter where the undesirable (to you) options are removed?
 
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Would you accept the results of a referendum on bringing back capital punishment, any more than you did for that of leaving the European Union? Or like Germany is heading, would you only embrace a vote on a matter where the undesirable (to you) options are removed?

What on Earth are you waffling on about? :confused:
 
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