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Should i pre order 2080 ti or get a 1080 ti ?

Surely the smart thing is to wait for reviews, However if you have the monies and its no issue for you then you could just buy the best you can afford or are willing to spend.

Really no one can answer this as only you know how you like your games to run (full on ultra or with some things turned down) and how much gaming means to you.
 
I guess the problem with waiting when considering a 1080Ti vs the new gen is potentially that by the time we know the full details on how the cards will perform, the availability of 1080Tis could be lower and if you had your eye on a particular model or brand you might miss out.

If you aren't bothered and would accept any 1080Ti or would be happy buying second hand then it's not an issue.

Either way, I wouldn't personally be dropping so much money without knowing exactly what I was getting but that's just my own view.
 
Zeeflyboy said:
I guess the problem with waiting when considering a 1080Ti vs the new gen is potentially that by the time we know the full details on how the cards will perform, potentially the availability of 1080Tis might be lower and if you had your eye on a particular model or brand you might miss out.

If you aren't bothered and would accept any 1080Ti or would be happy buying second hand then it's not an issue.

Either way, I wouldn't personally be dropping so much money without knowing exactly what I was getting but that's just my own view.
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We'll know in a couple of weeks how well they perform... at least enough to get a FAR better sense as to whether they're worth getting over a 1080Ti or not. Obviously a bit longer to wait for the 2070 and below. There shouldn't be an issue with 1080Ti availability given how much excess stock there was. It's an entirely plausible theory, as many have suggested, that part of the reason for the high price of RTX is so they can still sell Pascal underneath it... had they brought in RTX at Pascal prices, they'd never have been able to do that.
 
dangel said:
TBH I see it both ways - why should I listen to someone who vehemently against buying one either? :)

But don't listen to me, I've preordered one :D

Seriously though, I've paid nothing and I have no risk if the reviews all say 'piece of crud' - simply cancel, or return. Job done.

The true message is - decide for yourself. Everything we're buying for gaming is a waste of money - period. Your life will continue without it. There is no need. Now *Want* is a different thing entirely and your ability to fulfil that want is entirely your own. Weigh up what you want and what you can afford. However in this case I would be worried that 1080ti prices are likely to drop in a few weeks (and also you'll probably be able to pick up some second hand bargains from idiots like me who've gone for a 2080ti and are dumping old cards). YMMV, totally fine with that.
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I'm in the best position then as I pre-ordered but now cancelled :D
If folks want one and can justify it then buy one :), The sensible people among us who are not forming opinions based on their opinion of the pricce know they're gonna be good and especially in future games. There's always a chance of a "duffer" but I highly doubt it.
With the pre-order you can cancel if the reviews turn out rubbish but just note that the performance of these will be better in games that arrive later.
1080 T's are still good but they're really over 2 years old now (being derived from the original TXP) and IMO are priced too high still. Around £500 new would be tempting if someone doesn't care for the RTX stuff for now. I myself doubt I'll be picking up any games with RTX for a long while hence one of the reasons I cancelled.
There's no doubt that RTX will get better with the next gen of cards but new tech always does.

Another issue with the old Ti will be the used prices. They'll struggle to fetch more than £400 soon, probably.
 
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DarrenM343 said:
I'm in the best position then as I pre-ordered but now cancelled :D
If folks want one and can justify it then buy one :), The sensible people among us who are not forming opinions based on their opinion of the pricce know they're gonna be good and especially in future games. There's always a chance of a "duffer" but I highly doubt it.
With the pre-order you can cancel if the reviews turn out rubbish but just note that the performance of these will be better in games that arrive later.
1080 T's are still good but they're really over 2 years old now (being derived from the original TXP) and IMO are priced too high still. Around £500 new would be tempting if someone doesn't care for the RTX stuff for now. I myself doubt I'll be picking up any games with RTX for a long while hence one of the reasons I cancelled.
There's no doubt that RTX will get better with the next gen of cards but new tech always does.
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Well yes, but the key phrase there is "games that arrive later"... how much later? A couple of months? Next year... to the point where 7nm cards are on the horizon by the time games are starting to see a significant and worthwhile improvement using an RTX card over Pascal (forgetting ray tracing which is something else)? This is where that value question really comes in to play. A 1080Ti may be 2-years old but so what if it still does the job MORE than adequately? It does that job today, that's for sure. What's going to change in a couple of weeks? Nothing really, as much as Nvidia will want to convince us otherwise.

Cheapest new 1080Ti on OCUK is £600 right now... that will probably drop a bit. But even at £600 it's still going to offer someone amazing performance at 1080p/1440p for a long time... yes a 2080/2080Ti should/will be better, but is it worth paying an extra £130 for a 2080, or £550 for a 2080Ti? We'll know more in a couple of weeks, but I strongly suspect it won't be worth it from a value/performance point of view. That's not to say people shouldn't buy one... as you say that's up to them. Value is largely a subjective thing after all, but for many people it will just be because they must have the new shiny shiny and want to wring every last drop of performance from their hardware, damn the value consideration. That's what Nvidia are counting on.
 
Legend said:
Well yes, but the key phrase there is "games that arrive later"... how much later? A couple of months? Next year... to the point where 7nm cards are on the horizon by the time games are starting to see a significant and worthwhile improvement using an RTX card over Pascal (forgetting ray tracing which is something else)? This is where that value question really comes in to play. A 1080Ti may be 2-years old but so what if it still does the job MORE than adequately? It does that job today, that's for sure. What's going to change in a couple of weeks? Nothing really, as much as Nvidia will want to convince us otherwise.

Cheapest new 1080Ti on OCUK is £600 right now... that will probably drop a bit. But even at £600 it's still going to offer someone amazing performance at 1080p/1440p for a long time... yes a 2080/2080Ti should/will be better, but is it worth paying an extra £130 for a 2080, or £550 for a 2080Ti? We'll know more in a couple of weeks, but I strongly suspect it won't be worth it from a value/performance point of view. That's not to say people shouldn't buy one... as you say that's up to them. Value is largely a subjective thing after all, but for many people it will just be because they must have the new shiny shiny and want to wring every last drop of performance from their hardware, damn the value consideration. That's what Nvidia are counting on.
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You're right, we don't know how many games will put the new features to use soon although a few soon should do.
It's a difficult one. I was actually tempted by the Ti deals at £600 on the Ti as I game at 1440P and wont need the RTX stuff for a while and miss my old TXP a bit which I sold for a bit more so would be like a direct replacement. A 1070 Ti does work pretty well though. But £130 extra for the 2080 will likely a bit of bump in performance and of course it's the latest and greatest architecture. That does count for something, and likely will do when it comes to resale :). But if someone is going to use it for years then matters less.
Not sure the old Ti will drop much more.I'm getting the impression the availability is not great.
At £500 I probably would have ordered the old Ti for now.
 
DarrenM343 said:
It's a difficult one. I was actually tempted by the Ti deals at £600 on the Ti as I game at 1440P and wont need the RTX stuff for a while and miss my old TXP which I sold for a bit more so would be like a direct replacement. But £130 extra for the 2080 will likely a bit of bump in performance and of course it's the latest and greatest architecture. That does count for something, and likely will do when it comes to resale :).
Not sure the old Ti will drop much more.I'm getting the impression the availability is not great.
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I can foresee maybe some deals around the £550 mark, but not much lower. At £500 it would be a steal.

It's still a VERY capable card though as you say, and RTX isn't going to be taken advantage of in games for a while... and certainly not at 1440p where it will be a frame drag until drivers mature and devs figure out how best to optimise. Anyone at 4K is kidding themselves they'll get full ray tracing at comfortable frame rates yet... it'll be 7nm before that ever happens. That said, I think many gamers at 4K will have an eye on the 2080Ti as it will deliver in raw performance terms and definitely be an improvement over a 1080Ti at such a demanding res. So I can see a significant portion of 2080Ti sales going to those with 4K monitors who just want to have the smoothest gaming experience. That's a far more justifiable argument for getting one than for ray tracing anyway.
 
I have gone for the 1080ti at £600 which is the cheapest I've seen for a decent 3rd party card. I was planning on skipping the 10 series and going for 2080ti but the price nvidia are asking for is absolutly ridiculous! Ideally I'd be waiting for the 7nm refresh before upgrading but I've recently purchased a 3440x1440 monitor and my 980ti is struggling at that res.
 
Hades said:
How can you possibly know that? What you say is very likely to be correct. But no-one outside of people with an NDA can possibly confirm it as a fact at all.

The sensible approach is to wait for benchmarks unless there is another strong incentive to pre-order (such as limited availability or price reductions).
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@Hades

Nvidia released this 2080 vs 1080 graph where the 2080 is at least just below ~1.5x or ~50% faster.
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The 1080 Ti is approximately ~1.2x or ~20% faster than the 1080 which makes the 2080 faster than the 1080 Ti.
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Since the 2080 Ti is faster than the 2080, one can deduce the 2080 Ti is also faster than the 1080 Ti.

In any case, the 2080 Ti is definitely faster than the 1080 Ti when it comes to ray tracing for obvious reasons.

Then again, I could be totally wrong and the 2080 Ti ends up being slower than the 1080 Ti which goes against Nvidia's 2080 vs 1080 graph.
 
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thanks for telling me this stuff im going to wait for reviews but ill get my new motherboard and wait for i7 9900k to release, is there any good pc cases which has good air flow with good dust filters ?
 
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CrudeHood said:
thanks for telling me this stuff im going to wait for reviews but ill get my new motherboard and wait for i7 9900k to release, is there any good pc cases which has good air flow with good dust filters ?
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If you're building a gaming PC then I'd deicide on the graphics card first as that will be the biggest limiting factor at 4K.
 
How come you want to replace the 6700k it's still a capable CPU it's what I have and it doesn't effect my gaming, apologies if it ain't a dedicated gaming pc. Best use your funds for a nice GPU and SSD.
 
Hey guys do i have to wait for release of the Z390 motherboards to use i7 9900k or will it work with a Maximus Formula or code ?. Also when will the Z390 motherboards come out any ideas
 
smsmasters said:
@Hades

Nvidia released this 2080 vs 1080 graph where the 2080 is at least just below ~1.5x or ~50% faster.
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The 1080 Ti is approximately ~1.2x or ~20% faster than the 1080 which makes the 2080 faster than the 1080 Ti.
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Since the 2080 Ti is faster than the 2080, one can deduce the 2080 Ti is also faster than the 1080 Ti.

In any case, the 2080 Ti is definitely faster than the 1080 Ti when it comes to ray tracing for obvious reasons.

Then again, I could be totally wrong and the 2080 Ti ends up being slower than the 1080 Ti which goes against Nvidia's 2080 vs 1080 graph.
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Interesting post. Just a few things.

Nvidia's slides are always going to be absolute best case scenario. Somebody already worked out some figures using those slides and arrived at 37% faster on average. Which puts that in line with what Tom Petersen says, that its going to be 35%- 45% faster.

And most reviews that I have read put the 1080Ti 35% faster than the 1080 if you exclude 1080p resolution.

Totally agree though, the 2080ti should definitely be faster than the 1080ti. Of course it will be!! Imagine how fast pre-orders would be cancelled if it wasn't?? It would be some kind of world record :p:D
 
On average doesn't matter. If the GPU's perform as per those charts, assuming the chart is real(not fake), if users don't see similar results @4k in those games then they can accuse NV of falsely representing a product. ARK for example is 2.25x faster on the 2080 than the 1080, so if you play that game at that res, that is what you should see, if this chart is real.

What is clear too is that if DLSS can be used, the 2080 is going to see a big bump in performance over the old 1080 and Ti. One could just buy games that are more likely to see the DLSS performance increase which will likely be more games in the future, hence another reason why I said "average doesn't matter" because if someone did that the games they will play will be optimal for their new GPU but also as it's implemented in more games the average increase is likely to increase too.
IMO the 2080 is looking pretty good for 4k gaming. In some cases probably 50% faster than the old Ti for similar money. The 2080 TI much better too.
Why not just take the chart for what it provides rather than trying to twist a negative angle ?
Of course the chart only shows 10 games. Reviewers will likely only show the results of a small number of games too so you never really know until you buy one of each and run your own tests on every single game you play (yeah, right!) :D.

I'm looking forward to people getting hold of them and giving us their own opinions (not just reviews).
A while from now, not only will 20 series owners have the RTX stuff to play with, probably most games will see the DLSS bump in performance too. At that point even the 2080 will likely be well ahead of the old Ti.
 
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Personally just wait, I won't be getting one regardless of "tests" unfortunately these cards have now crept out of my own comfort zone I will pay.. I'll try and pick up another second hand 1080ti probably.
 
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