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should i sell 5870 while i can?

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i bought my HD 5870 a few months ago, and it has been an awesome card.. until now. unfortunately i have attempted to play metro 2033 and have found out this 'beast' has now become instantly obsolete. if that's the way forward, ATI are ****ed. What im thinking of is sell my 5870 while its worth a bit of cash, and save up for the geforce 480/470, which should be a heck of a lot better at that sort of thing. I am using the 10.3a drivers, so i am getting what i can out of 'the thing'. Unless ATI can pull something extremely miraculous out of the water i think i may be going back to nvidia, making this the first and last ati card i'd probabl;y ever own. Sorry i am a bit negative, but come on! we shouldnt be getting that for our money. I'd like to know other peoples' opinions on this

i7 920 D0 @ 4.0
ATI Radeon HD 5870 1Gb
Gigagbyte EX58-UD5
6GB Corsair XSM3 C7 1600mhz
OCZ GameXstream 1010w PSU
 
Yeah lets sell up because of some crappy poorly optimized console port, and no the 480 won't play it much better than the 5870, and you can quote me on that when they come out.
 
You currently own the best single card available, as for the gtx 480, it's too much of an unknown quantity, and likely to cost a fortune, best bet is to stick with what you have.
 
If it's so poor sell it ....... I'm sure there will be one or two takers out there.:D


But relying on a product not yet available with indeterminate spec. or ability - partic. in the game you want to play ??? - Not my idea of a good choice.:(
 
If a game is poorly coded, a new card wont give you more FPS, like some areas of WoW that still only run at 25 FPS on an Intel I7 + 5870.

The pinacle of optimised coding and great graphics is still modified Oblivion for me. I wish all games could look and run that well.
 
screw everything i said, i'd rather spend the extra on another 5870, then i'll be talking. sorry about the useless post. like i said, looked a very very good atmospheric etc. game, so disappointed about that mainly. just checked unigine for proof that these things are pretty good. ah well, last question people. how easy do you think it is going to be to get another 5870 in the next month or two? :P
 
Yeah lets sell up because of some crappy poorly optimized console port, and no the 480 won't play it much better than the 5870, and you can quote me on that when they come out.

Its a PC game isn't it, ported to consoles? Likewise, its not poorly coded, it looks basically entirely the same, I mean almost exactly in DX11 as dx10, and in dx11 with or without tesselation on.

Turn tesselation and DOF off, DOF is an awful effect anyway, its just not realistic, it started off, like motion blur, as a cheap way to reduce the load for consoles basically, but turned into a "so realistic lets make it a huge feature turd" thing that takes power. Unfortunately yes things on our periphery aren't in exact focus, but we as humans can move the direction of our gaze without moving your head. You can flick left/right without moving your head, DOF doesn't allow this, its a daft effect thats simply not compatible with "realism" in games.

Disable DOF and tesselation for no reduction in quality, actually an increase in quality without DOF(which does things like blur the mission goals because its on the edge of the screen, entirely stupidly) and a 5870 can easily give 40ish fps average, which like Crysis is pretty smooth in this game.


What has been poorly optimised, is the inclusion of tesselation, likely very specifically included in a manner that upsets ATi cards and makes the Fermi very happy, considering its a Fermi launch title. Unfortunately it really doesn't do anything at all except kill performance.

Its also a pretty damn good looking title and will probably be amongst the hardest to run titles in the next several months, and considering with no IQ loss you can run it at full settings with AA, max AF and looking great with more than smooth framerate, the card is not obsolete.

I'm very sure Fermi will have better framerates in Metro with DOF/Tesselation on, however, in doing so it won't offer superior IQ, just bragging rights, with those two options disabled, Fermi will be not much faster than a 5870.

Anyway, tesselation in this game is very much like HDR in Stalker, a new effect overused for very little useful increase in IQ< though it did increase IQ and wasn't as badly implemented as tess is in Metro. Metro's implementation seems to be nothing more than probably purposefully trying to criple AMD cards. You can normally quite easily add a level of anything in a game that can harm performance, the problem is, if its for a massive increase in IQ, thats one thing, it might even be worthwhile. Like some of Crysis's highest effects did improve IQ even if the best cards couldn't run it smoothly.

But when that performance destroying effect really doesn't improve IQ, well, some people would argue, rightly or wrongly, that its a stunt just to hurt a certain type of card, done by a company who has often been happy to do so.

But its easy, judge for yourself, play in dx11 with and without DOF/tesselation, draw your own conclusions, is it more than smooth enough without them and does it look almost identical? DOF really is a no brainer, its a stupid stupid effect that for me sucks, I mean really sucks, it decreases IQ trying to mimic peripheral vision, but theres limitations to what you can mimic in a game and until you have a screen with eye movement tracking that can adjust DOF on the fly so as you look left without moving the mouse/crosshair, and it will automatically bring the left area into focus, then its simply an effect that does not work, at all. That itself takes performance from a rather solid 45fps for me, to something like 25fps, add in tesselation and its down to lows of 12fps with an average somewhere around 15-20fps, its awful. Turn both off, fantastically smooth, one of the best looking games around, looks better than with DOF on, and looks no different without Tesselation.

EDIT:- BTW< DOF with eye movement tracking with focus changing across say eyefinity, 3 screens where focus follows your eye and not the crosshair, would be just about the single most awesome thing to happen in gaming :p We're several years away from that kind of thing though.
 
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because that console port won't work .... i'll give a £1 for the out of date and yesterdays technology ...
.... i'll pay £1.50 for P+P
 
The pinacle of optimised coding and great graphics is still modified Oblivion for me. I wish all games could look and run that well.

Are you kidding? Modded Oblivion is a hog and doesn't even max out on dual GPU setups 4 years after it's release. Just look at all the bugs they never fixed, glitches left unpatched... that tells you they cashed out before it was done.
 
To be fair, I've been playing metro for about 6/7 hours now and its not all that anyway. Sure the graphics are quite nice but its amazingly repetative and screams of consolitis.

I also own a 5870 but won't be selling it due to this game as its not something im very likely to replay anyway + theres no multiplayer.
 
Like drunkenmaster suggested, disable dof,this will make a big difference.
I have 5870 xfired and it plays like a sack of caca with dof enabled, with it disabled it's very smooth and playable, but the game itself is really not that good
 
I haven't actually seen this game running but I remember IGN saying that they were impressed with the Xbox 360 version and they were hard pushed to tell them (PC + Xbox 360) apart.
 
i see you're right about that. overclocking the gpu has helped loads, so without dof im getting roughly 50ish, which isnt bad at all. there is one really funny thing i've noticed though, the framerate at those 'lit-up' places pretty much ALWAYS drop to the exact same framerate, which gets me thinking that maybe nvidia has done something there. over the past few months i wouldnt be surprised at that tactic. other then those parts, game is awesome now.
Also, once a patch for the game comes out that lets us fiddle with the settings a bit more, it'll be loads better. i dont know much, hence my idiocy above.
Bring on fermi and we'll see what these 2 companies are really doing. nothing can be said till then, except i think i really need to chill out

cheers for info though drunkenmaster, i was thinking it would be the other way round and tesselation would be the killer
 
IT is aswell, but DOF seems to be very badly done, things like DOF and motion blur used to be bad effects used to hide lack of power, then some moron decided to turn them into power hogging " uber fancy looking effects" even though they are crap and worsen IQ still.

There are a few ultra fancy white smoke/steam type effects that really hurt performance, those might be ultra fancy physx "excess particle" type situations.

Can anyone be bothered to try one of those parts with a stock and massively overclocked cpu and see if that changes the speed noticeable. I can't say I bothered to watch cpu loading but its more than possible thinking about it that its a massive cpu limitation at certain points.
 
I wouldn't sell that card mate... its an excellent Card. Turn down the settings a little if it helps but dont judge a card on One Game mate..
 
oh i am keeping it trust me, like i said, now that im 'more awake' today i realised my mistake. truly awesome card, thats why i'd rather spend the money on another one. couple that with the upcoming(rumor?) 75% increse for crossfire, i think i'll have something special
 
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