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There's better out there than Silkroad now anyway.
Silk Road 2.0 + many more 'Dark web' websites shut down. What's the real reason?
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Many streets and roads allow people to buy drugs with coins or paper money totally anonymously especially if the buyer wears a hat and doesn't carry a phone.
I used to buy my drugs from the dope flats on the Shankill road in Belfast in the late 90s / early 2000s. Sure, it was only a bit of blow and some Es and occasionally LSD. Not doing anyone any harm. Except the people running the dope flats was Belfast UDA C company. A paramilitary organisation headed by Johnny Mad Dog Adair. They made the locals lives hell. Then started feuding in the early 2000s and many people ended up forced from their homes, beaten because they chose to align themselves with a particular UDA faction, or murdered.
Short term fix, they'll be back.
The trading online is IMO better than face to face, as there is less danger around the trades and the quality of the products are generally higher thanks for customer feedback, wish makes things safer still.
However, the sites can't be allowed to gain a permenant foothold. Expect SilkRoad v3 within a month or so, and for it to be shut down with a year.
The trading online is IMO better than face to face, as there is less danger around the trades and the quality of the products are generally higher thanks for customer feedback, wish makes things safer still.
However, the sites can't be allowed to gain a permenant foothold. Expect SilkRoad v3 within a month or so, and for it to be shut down with a year.
I think this is a primer for primarily tacking terrorism or hardcore criminal groups, the internet gives so much potential exposure to people - obviously those with a grudge/agenda can benefit massively from sites like twitter/facebook, the authorities generally play by the rules, companies like twitter cry, 'freedom of speech' or whatever and groups like IS feed off all the exposure they get. So what can you do, pull the plug?
The wheels are in motion, the cogs are starting to turn. I think it's a good thing, have to work out how to stop people criminally benefiting from the internet, as I said, unless you pull the plug you have to start some serious targeting.
The wheels are in motion, the cogs are starting to turn. I think it's a good thing, have to work out how to stop people criminally benefiting from the internet, as I said, unless you pull the plug you have to start some serious targeting.
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Low hanging fruit for them, its a lot easier to go after people selling drugs that actually do real investigative work and stop real criminals. They probably have a big party where they all circle jerk each other and give each other medals and awards and feel good about themselves for stopping some guy selling drugs.
Did you know that ZERO convictions came about as a part of the TARP bailouts and other financial shenanigans from 2009. Even when the libor rate was fixed, massive fraud. There was zero convictions until recently, where they were all private any way so no one realy knows.
They want to prevent the open economy no matter, even if it is not engaged in criminal activity. Wait till https://openbazaar.org/ is fully operational and allows for people to trade around the world legally. ICE will find a way to shut it down. It is all about TAX end of the day. They don't want people to be able to engage in economic activity where they are not in control. The very idea to them that someone could make a living without paying taxes or using the banking system/currencies, scares the bejesus out of them. So they are coming down hard on these sorts of market places before they get too popular and are not stoppable. That is why they have such ridiculously high sentences lined up because they want it to be an example so that people don't try and do it in the future.
End of the day the owners were just setting up a market place, they are not liable for the actions that people engage in on that market place. Just the same that if someone sells something illegal on ebay, ebay is not responsible. Unfortunately ebay is too big for ICE and they would rather go after ebay competition. The next one that sets up such a site will have to not use any staff now to prevent ICE infiltration.
Considering that TOR was setup by the CIA and NSA should be enough justification to create an alternative to TOR that doesn't give them a upper hand.
Did you know that ZERO convictions came about as a part of the TARP bailouts and other financial shenanigans from 2009. Even when the libor rate was fixed, massive fraud. There was zero convictions until recently, where they were all private any way so no one realy knows.
They want to prevent the open economy no matter, even if it is not engaged in criminal activity. Wait till https://openbazaar.org/ is fully operational and allows for people to trade around the world legally. ICE will find a way to shut it down. It is all about TAX end of the day. They don't want people to be able to engage in economic activity where they are not in control. The very idea to them that someone could make a living without paying taxes or using the banking system/currencies, scares the bejesus out of them. So they are coming down hard on these sorts of market places before they get too popular and are not stoppable. That is why they have such ridiculously high sentences lined up because they want it to be an example so that people don't try and do it in the future.
End of the day the owners were just setting up a market place, they are not liable for the actions that people engage in on that market place. Just the same that if someone sells something illegal on ebay, ebay is not responsible. Unfortunately ebay is too big for ICE and they would rather go after ebay competition. The next one that sets up such a site will have to not use any staff now to prevent ICE infiltration.
Considering that TOR was setup by the CIA and NSA should be enough justification to create an alternative to TOR that doesn't give them a upper hand.
Of course but the last thing we want is another method for them to do so.
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It is because the governments are losing out on sales to big players since underground sites like this are beating their prices.
Nice story. Are you trying to make the point that any illegal activities (however harmless) may be funding more nefarious activities? If so, that's fine. But what about about all the ones that aren't terrorists?
Why? You can go into any highstreet store and can buy far more dangerous drugs bottled! Old thinking.
I love how "people selling drugs" are classed as not "real criminals", as if drug dealers are really lovely, cuddly people who wouldn't dream of hurting a fly, and that drug addiction doesn't cause a multitude of social problems, including robberies, muggings etc. Not to mention the personal problems it causes for both the addicts and their families. 
Have to say, I can't remember the last time Sainsbury's got someone to go down to Tesco and break all the cashiers' legs for selling bottles of wine on their "turf"...
Have to say, I can't remember the last time Sainsbury's got someone to go down to Tesco and break all the cashiers' legs for selling bottles of wine on their "turf"...
Are you aware of the damage that the cocaine industry is doing to Mexico and other south American countries? Are you aware of the damage that the opium and hashish business is doing to Afghanistan? Where do you think the cartels that are chopping peoples heads off by the bus load and dumping their corpses in the middle of the highway are getting their money from? Where do you think the Taliban sourced most of it's income? Cocaine for the cartels, heroin for the Taliban.
The money all works it's way back to these sources. It was the same when I was buying my drugs from street dealers and the money was getting back to C company.
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I love how "people selling drugs" are classed as not "real criminals", as if drug dealers are really lovely, cuddly people who wouldn't dream of hurting a fly, and that drug addiction doesn't cause a multitude of social problems, including robberies, muggings etc. Not to mention the personal problems it causes for both the addicts and their families.
Have to say, I can't remember the last time Sainsbury's got someone to go down to Tesco and break all the cashiers' legs for selling bottles of wine on their "turf"...
You should pop into A&E on any weekend night, then come and tell me how many of the damaged people in there had got on the wrong side of 'drug dealers'.
and yet youre in a thread which is talking about the removal of a system that effectively removed that danger from buying drugs It's about method, scale and feelgood pr, a police car parked on a street in Peckham on a Friday would stop more drugs being traded than closing Silk Road.
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The CIA has been involved in drug trafficking themselves. They just don't like people eating in to their business. Why do you think opium production has seen 10x increase since the US invasion in afghanistan? The drug business is way for the likes of the CIA to generate off the book funds so that they can fund rogue black operations. They been doing that for decades.
Either way these blackmarket sites are only facilitating activity that already exists. They are making it more convenient and safer to buy these illegal products. I can't see them ever going away now, far too much money involved.
I am surprised the CIA has not set up their own one to be honest.
Either way these blackmarket sites are only facilitating activity that already exists. They are making it more convenient and safer to buy these illegal products. I can't see them ever going away now, far too much money involved.
I am surprised the CIA has not set up their own one to be honest.
Serious display of upset customers here. These sites were facilitating criminal activity - and were actively supporting that activity - which is illegal. They have had their owners arrested. Why the butthurt?
SR was just one example of an already familiar name. There were also many sites distributing child pornography shutdown, as well as sites for actual extremists to communicate and so on taken down.
SR was just one example of an already familiar name. There were also many sites distributing child pornography shutdown, as well as sites for actual extremists to communicate and so on taken down.
The CIA was bringing it back during the Vietnam war too. The British did it during the Opium wars. The British wanted to legalise and tax opium. Turn the Chinese into a bunch of opium addicts.