Silverstone FT02 - Ref GPU or 3rd party cooler GPU?

Built into my rv02 today.

600t 680 lightning SLI @ stock(1202) heaven run: max temp 75c

rv02 680 lightning SLI @ stock(1202) heaven run: max temp 69c

So no issue here.

HOWEVER:

Once I crank up the volts (tested with single card), I cannot achieve the same stable o/c as the 600t. My temps rise to about 73c (single card), at which point the o/c becomes unstable and crashes pc. In the 600t single card, temps did not go above 67c~
 
Board/ram temps are likely lower, although I don't monitor them. My cpu is on external water so is the same.

As for noise, I'm currently using the inbuilt fan speed resistor switches with the fans all plugged in to molex. The noise at idle is much louder than the 600t for me because I ran my fans much slower than this when idling. I'm going to put my fan controller in so I can slow them down.

Once my gpu waterblocks are available and fitted I plan to mount the fan controller facing inwards and keep the fans at a constant low speed for quietness.
 
Built into my rv02 today.

600t 680 lightning SLI @ stock(1202) heaven run: max temp 75c

rv02 680 lightning SLI @ stock(1202) heaven run: max temp 69c

So no issue here.

HOWEVER:

Once I crank up the volts (tested with single card), I cannot achieve the same stable o/c as the 600t. My temps rise to about 73c (single card), at which point the o/c becomes unstable and crashes pc. In the 600t single card, temps did not go above 67c~

cheers for the above, we appreciate the input.

Your case has Air penetrator fans?

Out of interest on the lightenings are the heatsink fins orientaion horizontal (parallel) or vertical to the bottom case fans?


Do the cards have a 'U' bend in the pipes, if so where are they located when card is fitted. Is the 'U' near exhaust at top of case or located at bottom near the base fans?

again appreciate your input.
 
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Yes, ap181s

The heatsink fins are such that the air from the fans can flow through the channels.

The heatpipes come out of the core (near the new 'top' of the card and all turn downwards. (The pipes are visible at the mobo-facing and window-facing parts of the card). No 'U' shape as such.
 
I'll just add my input, I had the same dilemma when I was building my computer back in September last year (build in sig).

I decided to keep my EVGA 480 from my old build and buy another and put it in SLI. They are both reference cards and the heat output (cosidering there two 480's) is pretty good, They have been abit warmer in the past month or so with the heat, Card 1 gets around 82 and the 2nd card gets around 78 but last year in the winter they rarely went over 77 degrees which for a 480 is pretty good.

I have been considering upgrading but theres a few factors:

-Nothing really pushes them so hard that I get bad FPS
-New Nvidia cards are around the corner Q4 2012 (rumoured)
-Not sure weather to get a non reference as the cooling difference is pretty big when you look at them but again not sure how they will be in a FT02. Haven't seen many threads with evidence or graphs to show the differnce between reference and non reference.

However I would like to upgrade to maybe get something that's not so hot as my room gets pretty toasty when playing some games, and maybe try get the electric bill down (who am I kidding)

Our experience with the reference GTX 680 was very positive. Its high quality cooling system combined with the efficient Kepler GPU has produced the quietest flagship single GPU card we have ever heard.

To give you an idea, subjectively the reference GTX 680 on full load is as quiet as a reference GTX 580 at idle (and the GTX 580 is already quieter than GTX 480).
 
Our experience with the reference GTX 680 was very positive. Its high quality cooling system combined with the efficient Kepler GPU has produced the quietest flagship single GPU card we have ever heard.

To give you an idea, subjectively the reference GTX 680 on full load is as quiet as a reference GTX 580 at idle (and the GTX 580 is already quieter than GTX 480).

Thankyou Mr Silverstone Rep.

That kinda seals it for me tbh, im sticking with a reference design.
Thanks for the input.
 
Our experience with the reference GTX 680 was very positive. Its high quality cooling system combined with the efficient Kepler GPU has produced the quietest flagship single GPU card we have ever heard.

To give you an idea, subjectively the reference GTX 680 on full load is as quiet as a reference GTX 580 at idle (and the GTX 580 is already quieter than GTX 480).

Thanks Silverstone rep, you input is appreciated :)
 
Silverstone Rep have you tested the windforce design in SLI? what was the temps etc? your answer could result in a sale if not i will just get a HAF case.

That might be expecting a bit much from any company. If they start getting into other manufacturers designs and appear critical, that is bad business.
They have to be diplomatic tbh.

I will be pleasantly surprised if your question is answered , don't feel hard done by if it isn't:)
 
Silverstone Rep have you tested the windforce design in SLI? what was the temps etc? your answer could result in a sale if not i will just get a HAF case.

Sorry, we have not done tests with Windforce cards in SLI. But the ones we've used for tradeshow demos appear to suffer little when used in our 90 degree rotated cases. Please keep in mind that Windforce cards do not always use the same heat pipe configurations so if you are specifically talking about the Windforce GTX 670, then we do not have experience with that either.

The general guideline for heat pipe orientation as outlined in our manual and website is critical for cooling systems that use low cost "groove" heat pipes where gravity will have major effects on performance. But if the cooling system uses high quality "powder" heat pipes, then orientation will have much smaller impact on performance. This explains why many FT02/RV02 users still experience good performance even if their cards are supposedly oriented in less than optimal positions. The few degrees of penalty is easily overcome by FT02/RV02's superior cooling power in relation to many traditional case designs.

Although this is not the direct answer you maybe looking for, hopefully this explanation helps!
 
Sorry, we have not done tests with Windforce cards in SLI. But the ones we've used for tradeshow demos appear to suffer little when used in our 90 degree rotated cases. Please keep in mind that Windforce cards do not always use the same heat pipe configurations so if you are specifically talking about the Windforce GTX 670, then we do not have experience with that either.

The general guideline for heat pipe orientation as outlined in our manual and website is critical for cooling systems that use low cost "groove" heat pipes where gravity will have major effects on performance. But if the cooling system uses high quality "powder" heat pipes, then orientation will have much smaller impact on performance. This explains why many FT02/RV02 users still experience good performance even if their cards are supposedly oriented in less than optimal positions. The few degrees of penalty is easily overcome by FT02/RV02's superior cooling power in relation to many traditional case designs.

Although this is not the direct answer you maybe looking for, hopefully this explanation helps!


Thankyou for the pleasant surprise , again very much appreciate the response.
 
This is a very interesting read, i own this case with a non reference GTX 670 (the Zotac Amp Editon), i get very decent temps no higher than 55 - 60 when gaming.

Its also nice to see some direct input from a Silverstone rep :)
 
I went to their support pages, sent a mail, still no response, will chase up. luckily enough a friend of mine who is an Uber nerd, went throu this drama before.

After I provided the comment by silverstone about orientation,
His thoughts were;

' powder, sintered or not, the heat pipe orientation for the windforce 670 is just wrong for the FT02. so the question is moot.

as far as heatpipe orientation for the 670GTX, the MSI twin frozer is the best choice. it has 5 heatpipes, out of which 4 of the heatpipes are actually useful. the heatpipe furthest away from the heat source is useless in a vertical mount but as silverstone said, the superior cooling power of the FT02/RV02 takes care of that shortcoming'

'Heatpipe orientation is a big consideration for cases like these, as is the wick of the heatpipe. Reference external exhaust vapor chamber coolers work most efficiently in these cases, but MSI coolers using powder metal wick heatpipes will be nearly as efficient because they are less dependent on gravity and should be quieter and cooler than the reference design because of the bigger, more effective coolers in many circumstances.

Asus directcu2

'generally speaking, the asus directCU2 is one of the best if not the best aftermarket coolers. UNFORTUNATELY, this is not true for FT02. FT02 works best when you have GPU cooler with fin's that are perpendicular to the AP181 fans. the directCU2 cooling fins are parallel to the AP181's. what makes the problem worse is the directCU2 heatpipes are vertical which means the cooling liquid inside all drain to the bottom of the pipe and makes the fundamental physics of heat heatpipe cooling useless.

Makes of cards

MSI twin frozer or HIS iceQ or sapphire X2 type card, then it'll work perfectly. but, directCU/accelero xtreme plus ii type cooler simply doesn't work as well in the FT02/RV02/FT03/RV03/TJ11 or any "stack cooling effect" type cases

I just recently bought a sapphire 7970 OC for my FT02. if you examine the cooler on it you will see the cooler has 5 heatpipes however 4 of the 5 heatpipes are VERY close to the heat source (where the thermal paste is) this means the liquid inside the heatpipe can be drawn up to the heat source easily through capillary action of the wick inside the heatpipe. the last heatpipe when mounted vertically is more then 2 inchs away from the heatsource so it's basically here for looks since it wont be dissipating any heat when mounting in a FT02, the last pipe is useless since liquid can not passively travel that far up a vertical pipe regardless of the type of wick you use.


On a Directcuii , you can see ALL of its heatpipes are vertical (when mounted on FT02) and reaches FAR below the heat source. this means there is no chance in hell any of the liquid will be making it back up to the heat source since it's way too much of a climb for the liquid with capillary action. this is the main reason why the directCU2/accelero xtreme plus II type cooler simply doesn't work in any kind of vertical mounting like the FT02 or any other case designed to have vertical mounting of GPU. i'm not saying your GPU will actually overheat with these coolers under stock clock, but if you are OCing, they are definitely not the ideal coolers to get. You'd be better of buying reference coolers and save a few £££'s

And thats his very very well versed opinion, and he does know his stuff.

Once, I hear back from Gigabyte, I'll post.

:D
 
Not all aftermarket coolers cause issues, it all depends on the heatpipe layout.

Something like the Gelid Icyvision has half the heatpipes in a workable layout, and the other half not. So it would probably cool no more effectively than a stock heatpipe layout, but be quieter.

The AC Twin Turbo should work a bit better, as the majority of the heatpipes are parallel to the floor when mounted at 90º.

The AC Accelero Xtreme however is a bad choice as the heatpipes are completely vertical when mounted 90º, with the majority of the heatpipe surface area being facing downwards, making them work harder as against gravity.

The horizontal nature of the AC S1 again means it is better for 90º mounted cases, but it can't handle high powered cards any way.
 
Very interesting thread. Can someone make it clear to me which is the best current 7850 to go for in terms of heatpipe/fan/cooler design for the Silverstone FT02. I have always ran a 5770 reference specifically to exhaust straight out the top so my CPU temps are lower. I need my cpu temps to be as low as physically possible currently on air, as it will bottleneck my GPU when I get a 7850 unless I seriously overclock it. I also want the GPU to run as cool and quiet as possible though really.

Advice?
 
I went to their support pages, sent a mail, still no response, will chase up. luckily enough a friend of mine who is an Uber nerd, went throu this drama before.

After I provided the comment by silverstone about orientation,
His thoughts were;

' powder, sintered or not, the heat pipe orientation for the windforce 670 is just wrong for the FT02. so the question is moot.

as far as heatpipe orientation for the 670GTX, the MSI twin frozer is the best choice. it has 5 heatpipes, out of which 4 of the heatpipes are actually useful. the heatpipe furthest away from the heat source is useless in a vertical mount but as silverstone said, the superior cooling power of the FT02/RV02 takes care of that shortcoming'

'Heatpipe orientation is a big consideration for cases like these, as is the wick of the heatpipe. Reference external exhaust vapor chamber coolers work most efficiently in these cases, but MSI coolers using powder metal wick heatpipes will be nearly as efficient because they are less dependent on gravity and should be quieter and cooler than the reference design because of the bigger, more effective coolers in many circumstances.

Asus directcu2

'generally speaking, the asus directCU2 is one of the best if not the best aftermarket coolers. UNFORTUNATELY, this is not true for FT02. FT02 works best when you have GPU cooler with fin's that are perpendicular to the AP181 fans. the directCU2 cooling fins are parallel to the AP181's. what makes the problem worse is the directCU2 heatpipes are vertical which means the cooling liquid inside all drain to the bottom of the pipe and makes the fundamental physics of heat heatpipe cooling useless.

Makes of cards

MSI twin frozer or HIS iceQ or sapphire X2 type card, then it'll work perfectly. but, directCU/accelero xtreme plus ii type cooler simply doesn't work as well in the FT02/RV02/FT03/RV03/TJ11 or any "stack cooling effect" type cases

I just recently bought a sapphire 7970 OC for my FT02. if you examine the cooler on it you will see the cooler has 5 heatpipes however 4 of the 5 heatpipes are VERY close to the heat source (where the thermal paste is) this means the liquid inside the heatpipe can be drawn up to the heat source easily through capillary action of the wick inside the heatpipe. the last heatpipe when mounted vertically is more then 2 inchs away from the heatsource so it's basically here for looks since it wont be dissipating any heat when mounting in a FT02, the last pipe is useless since liquid can not passively travel that far up a vertical pipe regardless of the type of wick you use.


On a Directcuii , you can see ALL of its heatpipes are vertical (when mounted on FT02) and reaches FAR below the heat source. this means there is no chance in hell any of the liquid will be making it back up to the heat source since it's way too much of a climb for the liquid with capillary action. this is the main reason why the directCU2/accelero xtreme plus II type cooler simply doesn't work in any kind of vertical mounting like the FT02 or any other case designed to have vertical mounting of GPU. i'm not saying your GPU will actually overheat with these coolers under stock clock, but if you are OCing, they are definitely not the ideal coolers to get. You'd be better of buying reference coolers and save a few £££'s

And thats his very very well versed opinion, and he does know his stuff.

Once, I hear back from Gigabyte, I'll post.

:D


I just read that all back a little more slowly and understand the ideas presented now. I would say I generally agree with the concept. Basically the Twin Frozr/HIS IceQ/Sapphire cards? have heatsinks with fin placement like so:

msi-r7970-lightning.jpg


So imagine that, rotated 90 degrees and the fins are going vertical in line (perpendicular to) the Silverstone FT02 fan air flow (directly up) and offer better cooling, as the air can go up and in between all of the fins more easily.



Where as heatsinks like the Accelero Extreme (what cards use this type cooler?) have the fins as below which when rotated 90 degrees offer more of a blocking action against the air as it is accross the plain of air flow from below.


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Have I understood correctly? Additionally, the comments refer to the heatpipes as in the above picture also being bad in that when rotated 90 degrees they extend a long way from the heatsource and are against the (more extreme action) of gravity.

This does totally make sense to me.

Whether or not it makes much of a difference I'm unsure.

I still feel like the reference designs with chambers and single fans sucking in and pushing over and out the gpu out the top of the case, are best in terms of keeping case temps lower. They probably work just as well for temps, but the issue is noise. If the dual MSI Frozr is quieter, which it tends to be, it seems that could be the best buy.

Thoughts?
 
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