Singapore Grand Prix 2010, Marina Bay Street Circuit - Race 15/19

Why didnt the stewards then?

ps3ud0 :cool:

:confused: why didn't the stewards see what?

It's a racing incident, that doesn't mean someone is not to blame. Is just that it's a racing incident due to split second thinking and no punishments should or need to be dealt.
 
Of course it's not the same Alonso can not go anywhere. It is three cars in a line. Still a racing incident. Not sure what your trying to prove. Just spit it out.
 
Ahh so you are happy with their decision that it was a racing incident and no need for further action
Yes
since it was so difficult to blame one or the other...

No, it's easy to give blame, just because there is blame doesn't mean it is not a racing incident or punishment needs to be handed out. This is racing. you will always get contact it's part of the sport, but you only punish reckless and pointless moves not any contact. This was neither pointless nor reckless but he did stuff it up.

Surely he could have slowed down though? Why couldnt he have broke more?

ps3ud0 :cool:
A) i haven't said who is to blame
B) there is three drivers, which is much harder to anticipate what is going to happen.

Button may well of not noticed who ever that is and was expecting Alfonso to give him a bit more room.
 
So in that example are you saying had the third car (left of Alonso - think it was Schumi), was not there, then the blame would lie with Alonso?
Not really, it is off the start line and they are much more side by side (From that camera angle) than the lewis/webber incident.

Totally different scenarios, Masa was not trying to pass Hamilton and was ahead before he turned in. Hamilton was mid pass against Webber and shouldn't have turned in as sharp. But you knew that already ;)

Disagree Hamilton has passed Webber (albeit it only half maybe 3/4 of the car) and it is Webber trying to make a come back pass.

get over it...
I am over it, an i asking for anything to change? this is a discussion after all.
 
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If he hasn't got all the way past, he hasn't passed him, he in the process of passing. As such the opposing car (in this case Webber) isn't trying to make a come back pass at all, he is still in the process of defending an overtake.

he's not defending, Hamilton had the line and was faster.
It was a silly attempt to try and get ahead, which paid of by luck not judgement.
 
He was defending because he hadn't yet been completely overtaken.

That makes no difference.

Hamiltons ahead and on the line. That is what matters. The distance of how much he is ahead makes little difference. Unless it's literally side by side.
It makes me laugh when people claim drivers should yield when the two cars are still side by side, an overtaking manouvre isn't complete until they're more than a full car length ahead, today was the same as Vettel in Turkey where he cut across Webber except it was in a corner.
No ones saying that. I bet if Lewis survived and Webber DNF many peoples thoughts would be reversed. you yield when you are going to lose the place and only if you put yourself in danger of crashing out.
 
(racing incident being defined as no one to blame).


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No, racing incident means more than that. No need to punish, poor split second descion. but there can still be blame imo.

Lot's of crashes have blame but are still racing incidents as they don't warrant punishment and is just part of the sport.

If you started punishing people on who is to blame, there would be penaltys most weekends and today we would have seen many penalties.
 
If you see someone who isn't even all the way past an opponent as having completely overtaken them then we're just fundamentally never going to agree on this, as I just do not, and never will see it that way.

you missed the part where I said yield if that gap is clearly goign to be cut of and that you put yourself in danger of crashing.

As we saw a few races ago with lewis vs button. Neither need to yield and fought for several corners as there was always room.
sometimes you have to except your not on the race line, your now behind and accept that to fight at the next corner or the rest of the race.
 
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just let it drop.

Stupid argument, why don't you let it drop, so on and so forth.
If he can't make it you have three options, take the escape route and he would not get a penalty as he didn't gain an advantage, back off and drop behind, go in to deep and too fast which is what he did.


we've been saying that since it happened.
 
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