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Skip 4000 series wait for 5000 series?

Johnny Silverhand

Johnny Silverhand

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So is anyone else that has just bought a top-tier 3000 series card (3080/3080Ti/3090) planning on skipping 4000 series? Hopefully i'll be able to hold the temptation for 2 years with my 3080 that I just purchased for £1250.

According to Nvidia's GPU roadmap the 5000 series would be released sometime in 2024. That's only 2 years away. If the 4000 series is good just imagine what the 5000 series would be like. I'm sure it will be much more power efficient to begin with as there are rumors 4080+ cards will require a 1000Watt PSU.

Let's imagine these forums 2 years from now. Would you wait for 5000 series or plan to go straight to 4000 in September and sell your top-tier 3000's for nickels on the dime in a mad rush to get a Lovelace card?
 
Imagine what the 6000 series will be like, or the 7000 or the 8000...

The question is along the lines of how long is a piece of string. We have lots of members here who upgrade every generation, others who upgrade every 4 or 5.

If you're worried about the value of your 3000 series card if you paid well over MSRP, the sensible thing to do would be to sell up a month or so before the 4000 series release.

Personally, I'll most likely be moving from a 3060ti FE to a 4070 or 4080 FE depending on pricing.
 
Skipping.. because no matter what some are saying on these forums these new 4000 cards are going to be silly expensive and too power hungry. My setup in my sig is going to last me a good while, mostly used for my work and some gaming. I don't think anything coming out is going to make a dent in 2 x 3090 sli/nvlink for my work and gaming that is mostly flight sims.

Also if next gen GeForce cards drop sli/nvlink my next update will be an A-series card aka Quadros from the past. The prices of gaming cards are getting so close to Titans and Quadros might as well buy them and have better drivers.

People are forgetting what is happening in the world right now and Covid has not gone away and china is back into lockdown you know the place that actually puts the cards together and makes the bits for them, I have a horrible feeling next gen is going to be in short supply again, scalpers again and probably mining coming back again too... So back to the same headaches as with the 30 series and probably worse as the world is in a worse place right now than even back then and soon more Covid lockdowns everywhere, no matter what this government is saying they will end up taking that route once it gets bad again as it will as we are seeing now in the other parts of the world.

Also Nvidia being Nvidia will be the same 30% increase or if more it will be a new price class even higher than we have seen on the 30 series, the real street price I mean not just the unicorn FE card prices, even FE cards will have a new price tag next time as Nvidia has seen what people are willing to pay and they also priced the cards badly wrong especially the 3080 FE and was price corrected in the 3080 12GB and Ti models as we saw, next 4080 is not going to be £650 or anywhere close to it, expect £850-999 fake FE price and street price and AIBS to be more.

We will see .. they also maybe delayed and not coming out in September 2022 or a paper launch as people are saying it's all just guess work and clickbait articles.
 
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I see the 4000 series as a lost generation as it takes a while for companies to give up unrealistic profits that are brought in by events such as the crypto boom.

The 4000 series will come pre-scalped and priced for a market that will simply not exist anymore.
 
If the 4080 is like 15% faster than a 3090 with the expected power consumption I say skip 4000 (unless you already got a beefy PSU AND you can sell your 30 series and buy the 40 series without any extra outlay)
 
Purgatory said:
People are forgetting what is happening in the world right now and Covid has not gone away and china is back into lockdown you know the place that actually puts the cards together and makes the bits for them, I have a horrible feeling next gen is going to be in short supply again, scalpers again and probably mining coming back again too... So back to the same headaches as with the 30 series and probably worse as the world is in a worse place right now than even back then and soon more Covid lockdowns everywhere, no matter what this government is saying they will end up taking that route once it gets bad again as it will as we are seeing now in the other parts of the world.

We will see .. they also maybe delayed and not coming out in September 2022 or a paper launch as people are saying it's all just guess work and clickbait articles.
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100% agree with this. I think it's extremely optimistic the new cards will be released in September without a hitch.

I think September we will see a Paper Launch for FE cards. 2-3 months later we may see AIB cards become available to buy for high prices if some of the following happens there could easily be another long GPU drought for 4000 series:

  • Supply Issues
  • Scalpers
  • COVID
  • New Mining Boom (maybe new cards are not LHR or are but still profitable for mining?)
 
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Unless theres a subsantial improvement in performance in rasterisation (RT is so barely there as to be scarcely worth considering. See some pretty reflections in some puddles? Wooooo) I'll be skipping this generation. Also power consumption (600W? You have to be joking) and its not so much the bills its the heat generation. (In summer. 350W is bad enough)

Might see what AMD bring this generation if the power draw is considerably lower that could be a deal.

Ayahuasca said:
If you're worried about the value of your 3000 series card if you paid well over MSRP, the sensible thing to do would be to sell up a month or so before the 4000 series release.
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People did that last time then were stuck without a card for months because there wasn't anything to be had for love nor money, at least not for anything other than silly money/scalpers prices. Its a gamble if you rely on a card for work or enjoy your gaming. I could have a sold my 3090FE for a decent profit at one point last year (I half wish I had, the only reason I didn't was for the same reason as stated previously there wasn't anything available to replace it with that wasn't going for silly money and I'd have been without a card for some time otherwise)
 
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Skipping this gen for sure, both NV and AMD. Too expensive, and too power hungry. Don't care about RT either. Very happy with what I have and in the end ended up with a free card. Going to make the most of it.
 
I don't like the trend that power limits are going, and with current rumours of 600W odd I'm skipping. Playing games in the summer is going to feel hell... but free heating in the winter I guess? One reason why I went with the 3070 and undervolted. My previous 1080 Ti was a big heater that I avoided playing on the PC for too long during the summer.
 
depends on the resolution and fps you want looking at the avarage fps at 4K not exactly giving you much headroom looking ahead, 1440p would last you longer, personally feel 40 series will give you that headroom at 4K
Johnny Silverhand said:
100% agree with this. I think it's extremely optimistic the new cards will be released in September without a hitch.

I think September we will see a Paper Launch for FE cards. 2-3 months later we may see AIB cards become available to buy for high prices if some of the following happens there could easily be another long GPU drought for 4000 series:

  • Supply Issues
  • Scalpers
  • COVID
  • New Mining Boom (maybe new cards are not LHR or are but still profitable for mining?)
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or it might go the other way ?? I think we are past the worst

Dont forget Intel will also be dumping cards so that will also be using up some of the market Q2 release

more people have got cards now , look at retailers they are sitting on stock now and prices slowly dropping , cards are not worth scalping now unless you getting the FE drops, maybe at the start if stock is low could get scalping but cant see it to the level we had

not everyone will want to upgrade from 30 series card and if they do cards will hit the used market

not sure about covid seem to cope with it better now

Mining ETH could go POS takes away GPU mining and other coins not being able to take all that hash rate , with energy price increase maybe not worth it all them people with 3-6 card rigs will end up going on the used market ? saying that POS could get delayed and value of coin shoots up could compensate for the energy increase

I will be going for the 4080 on release depends on price compared to the FE, if too much will do the same I did with 30 series and get the Founders edition. Also AMD this time might do drops for the UK wont get my hopes high though
 
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Johnny Silverhand said:
100% agree with this. I think it's extremely optimistic the new cards will be released in September without a hitch.

I think September we will see a Paper Launch for FE cards. 2-3 months later we may see AIB cards become available to buy for high prices if some of the following happens there could easily be another long GPU drought for 4000 series:

  • Supply Issues
  • Scalpers
  • COVID
  • New Mining Boom (maybe new cards are not LHR or are but still profitable for mining?)
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This is who you will be fighting again next time.. watch the scalper in this video with bbc click.
 
They're still scalping even the AIB 3080's go in minutes or less in... other places. Received an alert for one on sale elsewhere got to it a couple of minutes after it went live and there was one left in the shop and by the time I hit purchase (just to see how far I would get) the link was already dead/sold out. This was at 2 a.m. (don't ask). I find it hard to believe there are people sitting with their fingers poised over the buy it now button at two in the morning for a card a shade under a grand. It has to be bots.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
They're still scalping even the AIB 3080's go in minutes or less in... other places. Received an alert for one on sale elsewhere got to it a couple of minutes after it went live and there was one left in the shop and by the time I hit purchase (just to see how far I would get) the link was already dead/sold out. This was at 2 a.m. (don't ask). I find it hard to believe there are people sitting with their fingers poised over the buy it now button at two in the morning for a card a shade under a grand. It has to be bots.
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just doing quick search now and can see 2 retailers with 3080 AIB instock for under £1K, Also https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...-cards/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080?sort=price_asc

4 AIB's instock and below £1k
 
The best value is selling what you have before launch and upgrading, because the previous generation doesn't lose too much value compared to what's new, but when it's 2 generations behind then it's a bigger drop. Not to mention you're missing out on 2 years of better performance (likely warranty won't be there anymore either) and possibly some more mining/compute rental revenue (for when your PC would be otherwise idle). All for what? If you can't afford it then that's one thing, but remember it's time you can't ever make more of, so I'd rather enjoy something in the now and pay the meagre difference rather than just wait it out for years.
 
I feel only a 3090 (which I have) would stop the feeling of being limited when the next gen comes out, due to the 24GB ram. With 10 or 12GB I would always have the feeling that something's holding me back if the new high end is 16GB+.

So I will most likely be skipping the 4000 series unless there's a significant boost in terms of 1) performance per watt, and 2) performance per pound sterling - along with a nice trade-in value.
 
If the next generation of gpu gives a 50% increase in performance how many people will need to upgrade their cpu as well to take full advantage of them (especially at 1080p high refresh rate)? I am happy with my current balance of cpu/gpu and will not be upgrading next gpu generation unless I get a good price when they go EOL, https://youtu.be/ko2KTKOcQQ8?t=573
 
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