Sky and BT 4k

[Westyfield2]

Rather than 4K, I'd just rather they increased the 'HD' bandwidth.

 

[Squid]

Rather than 4K, I'd just rather they increased the 'HD' bandwidth.

Well you may see this...
Operators can send out 1080p using h265 if they upgrade everyones boxes then they could ...

keep the quality the same they then have more bandwidth for more channels
Double the quality
or a mix of those two.

most of these boxes have transcode on so in theory they could do IP multi room to the older boxes as h264 as well.

I have some h265 1080p60 sports streams at 13Mbps and they look great.

Personally id go for h265 1080p60 over what ever lower bitrate 4K stuff were most likely to get in the UK anytime.

 

[Amp34]

It will be upscaled 1080 along with low bitrate 4k to please the masses. The retailers will love this.

I'll be keeping my 1080p OLED screen for some time.

I'm aiming for a 4k OLED set. With the price of OLED sets coming down massively it should be reasonable in the next year or so.

I'm certainly not going to be getting a standard LCD screen if I can help it...

Alternatively I'll look at projectors, but any good 4k one is close to 5 figures, so they will have to come down significantly for that!

 

[Amp34]

distilled from wiki

High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC) is a video compression standard, a successor to H.264/MPEG-4 AVC (Advanced Video Coding),..
...The Main 10 profile was added at the October 2012 HEVC meeting based on proposal JCTVC-K0109 which proposed that a 10-bit profile be added to HEVC for consumer applications.[86] The proposal stated that this was to allow for improved video quality and to support the Rec. 2020 color space that will be used by UHDTV.[86] A variety of companies supported the proposal which included ATEME, BBC, BSkyB, CISCO, DirecTV, Ericsson, Motorola Mobility, NGCodec, NHK, RAI, ST, SVT, Thomson Video Networks, Technicolor, and ViXS Systems...


Max bit rate for Main
and Main 10 profiles (kbit/s)
25,000 100,000 4,096×2,[email protected]


So the way I read it thats with max compression, so you'll need a min of 25Mbit/sec
And only 30fps.
Wonder how BT's IP backbone is going to handle it if everyone signs up at once.

I presume this will either come with the Infinity 2 bundle (72Mb/s) or the bundle will come with the subscription for this. I'm sure they must have plenty of redundancy on that system considering it's pretty damn new!

 

[Manifest]

Forgive me for quoting the Sony guy at Curry's but he said.....

Sky's 4K will not cost any more, you will have to buy a box no doubt but it will be part of your HD subscription.

Still find it a bit odd why Sky for yonks have provided 720p and not 1080p, make me think a massive overhaul of infrastructure equipment will be required to produce a 4k image to thousands of homes.

Sky prices go up and up, I'm paying over £70 now, sure I got skygo extra in that but with movies and sport and HD I really would find it hard to justify £100 a month on TV. I love my footy and she loves the films.

The upscaling on my 55" x8505 is pretty impressive, blu rays look darn good and sky looks pretty good but the Native 4k I saw via Sony's HDD's attached was amazing, have to wait and see if Sky can produce anything like that.

 

[TALON1973]

sky 4k + new footy deal can only mean one thing ....price increases . But look out for the 50% offers that come out , especially on here i'm avoiding any sky offer atm until Christmas as that when I might go 4k and blu ray and sky wil have 4k available

 

[MissChief]

Forgive me for quoting the Sony guy at Curry's but he said.....

Sky's 4K will not cost any more, you will have to buy a box no doubt but it will be part of your HD subscription.

Still find it a bit odd why Sky for yonks have provided 720p and not 1080p, make me think a massive overhaul of infrastructure equipment will be required to produce a 4k image to thousands of homes.

Sky prices go up and up, I'm paying over £70 now, sure I got skygo extra in that but with movies and sport and HD I really would find it hard to justify £100 a month on TV. I love my footy and she loves the films.

The upscaling on my 55" x8505 is pretty impressive, blu rays look darn good and sky looks pretty good but the Native 4k I saw via Sony's HDD's attached was amazing, have to wait and see if Sky can produce anything like that.

Providing a 1080p picture requires DOUBLE then bandwidth of 1080i and 1080p isn't (or wasn't) part of the original 'HD Ready' standard that Sky adhered to in the beginning so there are a great many TV's still in use that wouldn't accept a 1080p signal. The expense for what is a slight picture quality increase isn't worth it and I'm not sure the boxes are even capable of it which would mean 3 lots of channels (one SD, one 1080i and one 1080p) when there are, if anything, too many as it is. 4k is the next step.

 

[Manifest]

Providing a 1080p picture requires DOUBLE then bandwidth of 1080i and 1080p isn't (or wasn't) part of the original 'HD Ready' standard that Sky adhered to in the beginning so there are a great many TV's still in use that wouldn't accept a 1080p signal. The expense for what is a slight picture quality increase isn't worth it and I'm not sure the boxes are even capable of it which would mean 3 lots of channels (one SD, one 1080i and one 1080p) when there are, if anything, too many as it is. 4k is the next step.

I see your point, makes a lot of sense.

Sky could surely come up with yet another box that would scale down an image to a lower res and send that to the older TV's but if they couldn't yes they would be excluding a lot of customers. I've been a bit naïve and though that anyone who wants HD has at least a 1080p compatible TV for ages.

I'll believe it when I see it when it comes to SKY providing 4k and if they do we can expect a small amount of channels. Movies and Sport mainly I reckon, wouldn't surprised me if there is 1 Sport channel which they will broadcast one game a week on, similar to the SKY 3d channel which hasn't really gone anywhere.