Sky going dishless

Curlyriff · 26 Jan 2017 at 14:48

Yep and lets be fair although the general channels on Virgin and BT are fine I still find the user friendly menus and boxes just better on Sky which is why I haven't moved.

My BT Infinity 2 is going to come in handy mind. Netflix is good but there is still a lack of content in the UK considering it is only about 50% of what the US get.

Psycho Sonny · 26 Jan 2017 at 14:58

Bassmansam said:
What about the
Dish?

Is the UK the only place sat dishes are available?

FrankJH · 26 Jan 2017 at 19:32

Firestar_3x said:
Much as i would miss the channels i hope Discovery do tell them to stick it, someone needs to stand up to Sky, i hope the resultant drop in subscriptions will show them what actually matters.

Its more the question of whether Sky actually notice any difference in subs

I highly doubt it

In regards to "no dish" it would be fab if Sky delivered this internet platform via any ISP, but I highly doubt it unfortunately. No technical reason why they have to lock it to sky isp but I'm sure from a commercial pov they will lock it

Curlyriff · 26 Jan 2017 at 20:00

FrankJH said:
Its more the question of whether Sky actually notice any difference in subs

I highly doubt it

In regards to "no dish" it would be fab if Sky delivered this internet platform via any ISP, but I highly doubt it unfortunately. No technical reason why they have to lock it to sky isp but I'm sure from a commercial pov they will lock it

They would kill it before it started if they locked it. And they don't lock their Sky Go/Extra so I don't see them doing it for this in honesty.

Even Sky Q is meant to come to all ISP's in the end to give all the same functions as it does if you have Sky ISP.

Psycho Sonny · 27 Jan 2017 at 08:19

Curlyriff said:
Even Sky Q is meant to come to all ISP's in the end to give all the same functions as it does if you have Sky ISP.

huh?

I have Sky Q and I don't have sky broadband. What are you talking about?

Heisenberg · 27 Jan 2017 at 08:27

Psycho Sonny said:
huh?

I have Sky Q and I don't have sky broadband. What are you talking about?

I think the only benefit of having Sky broadband with Sky Q is that the mini boxes act as a wifi extender when using the sky hub.

Cleisthenes · 27 Jan 2017 at 08:32

I'd be really happy with this. The dish is rather ugly so being able to get rid on the side of the house would be brilliant!

FrankJH · 27 Jan 2017 at 11:55

Heisenberg said:
I think the only benefit of having Sky broadband with Sky Q is that the mini boxes act as a wifi extender when using the sky hub.

surely a wifi extender is a wifi extender , ie it should be able to attach to any router / wifi signal

(of course its possible they have locked it down - but really, why bother?)

edit hadnt realised Sky Q had been released to all ISP's last year, very interesting indeed.

So from what I understand currently , you can get Q right now with another ISP but you need a dish
Hopefully when they release "dishless" Sky Q , they keep it opened up to all ISP's (it would seem backward not to, but when has that ever stopped a big corporation hahaha)

The only curiious thing I find about this is that why are the numbers in the articles so small (only a few million new potential subs across Europe) if they have opened up to every ISP

I know the infrastructure is still poor for a vast majority, so 100mb+ bb is still relatively hard to get unless you are in certain small areas - but even so the numbers seem small to me

Curlyriff · 27 Jan 2017 at 12:38

Psycho Sonny said:
huh?

I have Sky Q and I don't have sky broadband. What are you talking about?

Yeah as pointed out, it is handy as a Wi-Fi extender which when on the 3RD floor of a home can be handy. It is only possible with Sky internet and Sky Q together. Making half their original sales pitch moot at this time.

They talked about bringing more features but did not specify and nothing else seems to have come of it so guess it on back burner.

Curlyriff · 27 Jan 2017 at 12:40

FrankJH said:
surely a wifi extender is a wifi extender , ie it should be able to attach to any router / wifi signal

(of course its possible they have locked it down - but really, why bother?)

Yeah you are correct but they are indeed blocking it and I haven't seen any info on them changing stance.

And of course it is because commercially to the average joe they would switch ISP to get all the extras and Wi-fi with phones and tablets working better is an easy sell to the average Joe so that is why.

FrankJH · 28 Jan 2017 at 15:14

Curlyriff said:
Yeah you are correct but they are indeed blocking it and I haven't seen any info on them changing stance.

And of course it is because commercially to the average joe they would switch ISP to get all the extras and Wi-fi with phones and tablets working better is an easy sell to the average Joe so that is why.

So I was partially right initially- you cant get the full Sky Q package without being on their ISP

I still think there is something suspect about Sky's expected low figures once they go dishless, there is definitely something they arent saying right now (even the fact that its going to take them over a year to release the availability, I appreciate they dont want to get swamped but they also shouldnt need that much time to get ready either)

Jamauk · 28 Jan 2017 at 16:44

FrankJH said:
I still think there is something suspect about Sky's expected low figures once they go dishless

I wondered a few months ago if dishless would be the way forward. The low figures make me wonder if it will be (maybe only just to start with) only available to Sky BB customers, seems a great way to gain a huge market share.

asim18 · 28 Jan 2017 at 17:03

MonsterMoshi said:
Satellites are just not suited for TV and the internet is in a much better place to replace it.
The internet has a much higher bandwidth allowing for HD or 4K on all channels, not just a selected few.
Operating satellites is massively expensive and I don't believe there is a need for it.

You are completely wrong I'm afraid.

How has the internet got higher bandwidth for 4K???? That is simply wrong.

If you open up BBC news stream on DVB-S2 it looks 100 times better than streaming through iPlayer. So you are also completely wrong in this case too.

Also satellite is perfectly suited to high bandwidth TV as it's mainly one way communication. You can have the signal beaming down to a MASSIVE area and it requires nothing. Internet requires digging up cables and absolute massive ****loads of ongoing terrestrial engineering work. All you need for a satellite is to engineer it one time, and then shoot it into space and that's it it's a relay in space, no one travels to astra satellites to fix them. So you are also completely wrong on this point too and have no idea of terrestrial communication "operating costs" lmao.

bobbarley · 28 Jan 2017 at 17:53

Soon as they tarted doing Sky Q it looked likely that streaming via broadband was on the cards. Good to see.

FrankJH · 28 Jan 2017 at 18:43

asim18 said:
You are completely wrong I'm afraid.

How has the internet got higher bandwidth for 4K???? That is simply wrong.

If you open up BBC news stream on DVB-S2 it looks 100 times better than streaming through iPlayer. So you are also completely wrong in this case too.

Also satellite is perfectly suited to high bandwidth TV as it's mainly one way communication. You can have the signal beaming down to a MASSIVE area and it requires nothing. Internet requires digging up cables and absolute massive ****loads of ongoing terrestrial engineering work. All you need for a satellite is to engineer it one time, and then shoot it into space and that's it it's a relay in space, no one travels to astra satellites to fix them. So you are also completely wrong on this point too and have no idea of terrestrial communication "operating costs" lmao.

I wouldnt say launching / keeping satellites operational is inconsequential like you are trying to suggest

asim18 · 28 Jan 2017 at 18:56

FrankJH said:
I wouldnt say launching / keeping satellites operational is inconsequential like you are trying to suggest

It's in comparison to terrestrial internet lines, which BT/Openreach has NO plans to improve. All they've been doing for the last two decades is milking century old POTS telephone lines lol while charging everybody £19 per month line rental for 100 year old decaying cabling, most households cannot get more than 40 megabits of throughput lol. The UK's broadband infrastructure is NEVER going to be able to cope with 4K, let alone 1080p. Heck most ISPs haven't even implemented multi-casting.

Virgin can do without satellite because they use DVB-C over an actual transmission line. Sky doing TV over pure internet protocol/packet switched networks is simply silly.

Gimpymoo · 28 Jan 2017 at 20:39

About time.

We have no decent IPTV system.

It needs to have recording functionality though. Streaming alone does not cut it.

varkanoid · 29 Jan 2017 at 00:23

asim18 said:
It's in comparison to terrestrial internet lines, which BT/Openreach has NO plans to improve. All they've been doing for the last two decades is milking century old POTS telephone lines lol while charging everybody £19 per month line rental for 100 year old decaying cabling, most households cannot get more than 40 megabits of throughput lol. The UK's broadband infrastructure is NEVER going to be able to cope with 4K, let alone 1080p. Heck most ISPs haven't even implemented multi-casting.

Virgin can do without satellite because they use DVB-C over an actual transmission line. Sky doing TV over pure internet protocol/packet switched networks is simply silly.

Its right if you think about it. Satellite has its own power source or uses solar. Can't exactly send an engineer up to maintain it can you ? What costs is the ground installation and network that sends the signal up.

The dishless exercise is Sky's Management hitting the consumers who either CAN NOT have a dish, eg building regs and its across Europe too. Existing Sky owners with a dish are not going to be offered this dishless service. Not for a good few years yet. Even then it will only be new customers. Existing customers always get the short straw thats why you have to do the cancel/60% discount dance every year.