That's most likely just rubbish put out to justify a cheaper/inferior method of construction and they get to hinder overclocking which is a bonus.
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That's most likely just rubbish put out to justify a cheaper/inferior method of construction and they get to hinder overclocking which is a bonus.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if that was the case.
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I'd never bother delidding a cpu, I wouldn't want to take the risk.
Furthest I ever went in search of better temps was lapping a cpu, and I regretted doing that lol.
Also is anyone really surprised that the tim being used is rubbish? it's mass market, they're not going go with the cheapest stuff that can do the job.
Furthest I ever went in search of better temps was lapping a cpu, and I regretted doing that lol.
Also is anyone really surprised that the tim being used is rubbish? it's mass market, they're not going go with the cheapest stuff that can do the job.
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Why? You pay a premium price, you can bet Porsche don't use Tesco value motor oil in their cars
They use the best and simply factor it into the cost of sale.
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Anyone got views on what replacement TIM to use? Is using Liquid Pro really necessary? Could you use Grizzly Hydronaught (or similar) and still see good results?
I ask because a) I already have the Grizzly and b) liquid metal TIM seems a bit scary to apply
I ask because a) I already have the Grizzly and b) liquid metal TIM seems a bit scary to apply
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Can't believe we're looking at another generation of delidding, Intel really don't give a ****.
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I think that you have to look at this another way, i've dellided 3770 & 4770, both were only average chips and yes i got lower temps but overclockability remained the same as i previously wasn't temp limited anyway on a very good custom WC setup. Delidding would help either for air cooling to get a bit more or if you end up with a better than average chip/golden that scales well with volts, for all other uses in-between the TIM is good enough, if it hits 85-90c under a heavy 100% load then thats fine as its still within intel specs. Its kinda a 50/50 argument as to why its just crap and as to why its ok.
If it costs intel 2pence for the crap TIM and 10pence to solder over say 10 million units sold then thats a lot of money for the bussiness.
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Rubbish, as I said a few posts back in would factored into the cost of sale for each unit, enthusiasts would mind paying a few pence/pound more for a decently built chip.
Only reason for crappy TIM is they must have got job lot cheapish like, off Dave down the market.
If you avoid certain stress programs theese chips will be fine. Sure they're a bit hotter than previous soldered ones such as SB. But still well within intels spec. My 4790k isn't a great clocked, 4.7ghz on 1.300. Hits 75c in games sometimes, 83c under real bench but still perfectly ok.
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It's not done by hand
, is it 
, also its applied to the die, so how do you damage the cores 
It's obviously to stop massive and easy overclocking.
As you said the cost difference is basically zero.
I suspect people clocking the 2500k to 4.5ghz with ease had knock on effects on the more expensive chips.
So what stops them using decent TIM and applying it properly? It's shocking that an industry leading company can't be bothered to get this single thing right, especially when it's worth such huge benefits.
It would be worth more money to do the job properly, do some marketing of the benefits, and then charge £5 more. No individual is going to miss that, but for Intel, all those £4.90s will add up.
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I couldn't agree more and i'd personally pay more for a proven overclocker and i'd pay even more if that proven OC did it at ultra low volts but Intel won't do this so its down to either the retailer or consumer to bin and improve the product at the expense of possibly voiding the warranty.
Whish mine was this good (4770K though), i need 1.3v to get to 4.5
But they are in the same situation now - people not upgrading because the new chips are little different from the last 3 generations. They could put a decent TIM on, have cooler chips that overclock better (for the fraction of the market that overclock) and could charge more money for it.
Yep this is correct. I delided all my test samples.
AMD made some tanks back then. I shipped with courrier my Tbird from Greece to UK, and somehow the cooler (noob back then) was removed having smashed the core. All the corner around the top was broken, while the ceramic base was dented on few places.
Still the mighty Tbird 1000 overclocked to 1500 without issue again, and run for few years. And still have it in a box, along side another mighty AMD. The 2500MP
(overclocking to 3300 without issue)