Skyrim Mod Help! Constant Infinite Load Screen

Trojan Horse · 10 Jan 2015 at 22:09

Hello

Every time I start the game from desktop it loads fine and the load screen animates for a few seconds, then it freezes for a very long time. After alt tabbing a few times I get spawned into my save. It basically half-works, and the only problem with this is after it spawns me into my save I can load into other saves, which take a few seconds, which is what it should be - apart from saves which are (corrupt?) that have infinite load forever.

Here is a list of my mods, skyrim uses about 1.7GB then freezes in Whiterun, how can I increase the max ram? I have the required mods, One Tweak and other mods as well such as SSE (that memory one you manually install)

I haven't even installed the 2K HD textures yet, and these freezes are very frequent!

I used LOOT, TESVEdit and Wyre Bash which have helped just not fixed the problem - could any of you mod magicians see which mod is the bad one?

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Disco_P · 10 Jan 2015 at 22:44

Trojan Horse said:
Here is a list of my mods, skyrim uses about 1.7GB then freezes in Whiterun, how can I increase the max ram? I have the required mods, One Tweak and other mods as well such as SSE (that memory one you manually install)

By SSE do you mean the SKSE.ini memory blocks tweak or the Memory boost patch included in ENB?

This imgur gallery post will explain how to do both in the event you haven't.

http://imgur.com/gallery/Lb3Ub

My first guess as to what is causing the crashes is open cities. The reason bethesda decided to not include the bigger cities in the open world is because of the strain they cause on the engine.

Trojan Horse · 10 Jan 2015 at 23:10

Disco_P said:
By SSE do you mean the SKSE.ini memory blocks tweak or the Memory boost patch included in ENB?

This imgur gallery post will explain how to do both in the event you haven't.

http://imgur.com/gallery/Lb3Ub

My first guess as to what is causing the crashes is open cities. The reason bethesda decided to not include the bigger cities in the open world is because of the strain they cause on the engine.

Sorry no I mean SSME

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50305/?

I don't use nor intend to use Sweet FX or the ENB - too complicated for me anyway lol

I spent half an hour updating all my mods, especially unofficial patches in case thats whats going wrong.

Perhaps it is the Immersive cities mods?

Fanatic · 10 Jan 2015 at 23:23

You should use SKSE and ENB for their memory tweaks.

Trojan Horse · 10 Jan 2015 at 23:33

Fanatic said:
You should use SKSE and ENB for their memory tweaks.

Sorry, could you expand on this; do you mean collectively use all the current mods and tweaks as well as ENB? I obviously already have SKSE, so whats the easiest way to install an ENB?

Disco_P · 10 Jan 2015 at 23:35

If you can install SSME you can install ENB's memory patch. It helps. Massively.

And if you are using SKSE (which you should from your mod list) I would use it's inbuilt memory allocation function over the frankly weird implementation of SSME.

Simple instructions for both are included in the imgur link I gave.

Any mod that adds a butt ton of stuff to cities is going to cause you huge issues if you then put those cities + the butt ton of stuff to the open world.

Updating unofficial patches won't apply most of the changes to old saves as they are so complex they have to be there when the save is first created. Also they mostly fix gameplay bugs rather than crashes.

Old saves can also use crashes, especially if you have unistalled mods. Often old mods will leave junk in your save that the game cannot interpret without said mod and freeze/crash.

DaleTheWhale · 11 Jan 2015 at 00:02

EDIT: Have you added the SKSE memory fix?

When was the game working correctly and which mods have you installed since?

Disco_P · 11 Jan 2015 at 01:27

Another thought, have you tweaked ugridstoload?

Trojan Horse · 11 Jan 2015 at 02:16

Disco_P said:
If you can install SSME you can install ENB's memory patch. It helps. Massively.

And if you are using SKSE (which you should from your mod list) I would use it's inbuilt memory allocation function over the frankly weird implementation of SSME.

Simple instructions for both are included in the imgur link I gave.

Any mod that adds a butt ton of stuff to cities is going to cause you huge issues if you then put those cities + the butt ton of stuff to the open world.

Updating unofficial patches won't apply most of the changes to old saves as they are so complex they have to be there when the save is first created. Also they mostly fix gameplay bugs rather than crashes.

Old saves can also use crashes, especially if you have unistalled mods. Often old mods will leave junk in your save that the game cannot interpret without said mod and freeze/crash.

Obviously I have to be using SKSE otherwise half of my mods would not be working. As I don't have SMSE in my NMM I don't know how to delete it manually, will have to find out. Or do I leave it there?

By Installing Sweet FX I would be getting the memory fix too?

ThaReaperGuy said:
EDIT: Have you added the SKSE memory fix?

When was the game working correctly and which mods have you installed since?

Sorry, a lot of mods, I installed roughly 70 mods between then and now, using LOOT and TESV Edit every 5-6 mods installed.

It's probably just a single mod that is doing this (as I find out with every Bethesda game .... looking at you Fallout)

Disco_P said:
Another thought, have you tweaked ugridstoload?

No, I've heard messing with ugrid can cause more instability rather than actually fix anything - which is why I opted out from messing any further with it.

Disco_P · 11 Jan 2015 at 13:14

Trojan Horse said:
Obviously I have to be using SKSE otherwise half of my mods would not be working. As I don't have SMSE in my NMM I don't know how to delete it manually, will have to find out. Or do I leave it there?

By Installing Sweet FX I would be getting the memory fix too?

On second thoughts I would leave SSME as it as (as long as you're sure you've configured it correctly). Reason it isn't in NMM as it is 2 files that go into your skyrim directory, not the data folder.

Sweet FX will not give you the memory fix, it is written as a enhancement for every game. ENBs are game specific and the skyrim ENB has had some serious work put into it to help with memory.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/38649/

It won't change how your game looks, it won't drop performance (it might even help).

Trojan Horse · 12 Jan 2015 at 06:41

Disco_P said:
On second thoughts I would leave SSME as it as (as long as you're sure you've configured it correctly). Reason it isn't in NMM as it is 2 files that go into your skyrim directory, not the data folder.

Sweet FX will not give you the memory fix, it is written as a enhancement for every game. ENBs are game specific and the skyrim ENB has had some serious work put into it to help with memory.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/38649/

It won't change how your game looks, it won't drop performance (it might even help).

I think I've found one of my problems.. visual errors. I must have installed some of the mods wrong, asking them to over write some things and that must have made the game really glitchy.

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Trojan Horse · 12 Jan 2015 at 23:02

bump?

BubbySoup · 13 Jan 2015 at 09:40

I would really recommend sitting down and learning how to use MO. It's superior in every way and can really save you from a world of pain. If you do change, you are going to need to start over though.

I think it's safe to say your saves are pretty much corrupted. You may be able to fix them temporarily using various script/cell cleaning mods, but speaking from experience (and someone with 200+ hours invested in Skyrim), somewhere down the line it will come back to haunt you.

Richdog · 13 Jan 2015 at 09:53

Follow the guide in the official Sykyrim mods thread... I followed it to the letter and have no issued with a lot of mods installed.

DaleTheWhale · 13 Jan 2015 at 10:05

Richdog said:
Follow the guide in the official Sykyrim mods thread... I followed it to the letter and have no issued with a lot of mods installed.

I too recommend this.

If you're looking for some some really good MO tutorials, Gopher on YouTube is fantastic and very thorough with his explanations. His TES5Edit video's are worth a watch too.

Always test in-between adding a bulk amount of mods, anything can cause issues, make sure in MO your conflicts and overwrites are correct following what the mod creator has specified, this normally applies to SFO and other texture mods.

Trojan Horse · 13 Jan 2015 at 17:04

ThaReaperGuy said:
I too recommend this.

If you're looking for some some really good MO tutorials, Gopher on YouTube is fantastic and very thorough with his explanations. His TES5Edit video's are worth a watch too.

Always test in-between adding a bulk amount of mods, anything can cause issues, make sure in MO your conflicts and overwrites are correct following what the mod creator has specified, this normally applies to SFO and other texture mods.

You only recommend this because the guides yours, ya cheeky sod!
No I'm joking

It's not the save I really care about.. its the time.. I think I have 5-10gb of mods and on my phone line connection I download at 300kbps.. as you can imagine this takes a while.

My question is if I do redo my skyrim does NMM have my files already saved (mod files before they were installed) so I can just copy and paste them or do I have to start completely a new?

For the guide should I look here? http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18340074
Do I have uninstall everything, or just delete the mods? Should I reinstall the game as well (god please no)

Could anyone else link me to the youtube guide, exactly? Ideally I want to keep the same mods - the game is so fun with my mods installed just awful to play for a sustained amount of time.

Also: what frame rate do you think I could get with a R9 280X at 1440p, right now I get a minimum of 55fps indoors (always 60fps) but outdoors I get around 45-60 depending on how many enemies there are, these are with the texture packs installed and so the game does look beautiful.

Trojan Horse · 13 Jan 2015 at 20:19

bump?

Disco_P · 13 Jan 2015 at 22:41

Right then.

If you want to clean your game, uninstall everything you can via nmm. Anything you have manually installed, manually uninstall.

Clean your saves with this tool.
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

Delete your Inis.
Verify your game files within steam.

Then start from scratch. You can use NMM.

Every mod is a potential cause of issues and could lead to crashes, freezes and infinite load screens.

Therefore I would definitely advise you cut down your mod list to things you need/really want. If you are determined to keep using your save there might be a game play mod that it relies on. Install that first.

Script heavy mods are the worst, be extremely cautious around mods that do similar things and mods that haven't been updated in a long while.

Read the description of every mod you want to install.
Read the discussion page of the mod too, look for people who have had issues.

If nmm alerts you of a conflict, look for compatability patches, read description pages and think about the result of your choice.

I would use ENBoost as it allows the game to more intelligently use ram and VRAM.
Use either skse or ssme to increase the size of the primary memory block. You'll need that space if you install even half the amount of mods you use atm.

Once you have installed the bare minimum of mods use loot to organise and them clean dirty mods with tested it. If you use bash patches or tes5edit patches build them now. Start playing and check for crashes and think about what mods you need whilst playing.

I know this post seems like a lot of work but mods arent something you can install willy nilly. Skyrim is a delicate game and needs to be treated as such.

Trojan Horse · 13 Jan 2015 at 22:56

Disco_P said:
Right then.

If you want to clean your game, uninstall everything you can via nmm. Anything you have manually installed, manually uninstall.

Clean your saves with this tool.
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

Delete your Inis.
Verify your game files within steam.

Then start from scratch. You can use NMM.

Every mod is a potential cause of issues and could lead to crashes, freezes and infinite load screens.

Therefore I would definitely advise you cut down your mod list to things you need/really want. If you are determined to keep using your save there might be a game play mod that it relies on. Install that first.

Script heavy mods are the worst, be extremely cautious around mods that do similar things and mods that haven't been updated in a long while.

Read the description of every mod you want to install.
Read the discussion page of the mod too, look for people who have had issues.

If nmm alerts you of a conflict, look for compatability patches, read description pages and think about the result of your choice.

I would use ENBoost as it allows the game to more intelligently use ram and VRAM.
Use either skse or ssme to increase the size of the primary memory block. You'll need that space if you install even half the amount of mods you use atm.

Once you have installed the bare minimum of mods use loot to organise and them clean dirty mods with tested it. If you use bash patches or tes5edit patches build them now. Start playing and check for crashes and think about what mods you need whilst playing.

I know this post seems like a lot of work but mods arent something you can install willy nilly. Skyrim is a delicate game and needs to be treated as such.

Thanks with this. I have decided to go complete clean and have deleted skyrim completely, reinstalling now and deleting all saves. (Played more on console anyway).

I have mods saved as .rars in their original format, should I keep or delete these mods? I can use them can I not or should I not risk it (maybe I paused a mod download and caused a corruption I was unaware of..)?

I just want to download all of the mods on the skyrim guide on OcUK.

Is there anyway I can begin the download of mods before skyrim is installed? I want to set up MO before hand but obviously it does not allow me.

Once skyrim is installed I will follow that guide to the word.

Disco_P · 13 Jan 2015 at 23:16

You can redownload them if you feel it is necessary. Might be worth checking the file size for larger files to save the hassle of redownloading them.

You can download mods manually from nexusmods.com.

I don't know about MO as I have never needed it but with NMM you can add mod rar files manually and then click the green refresh arrow and it will recognise it as a nexus mods mod and link it with the appropriate mod page.