I doubt this would happen really. I think AMD/ATi is playing on the fact that you're open to choose what platform you run your multi GPUs on. Works out as them getting money either way. People who want Intel and multi GPU would most probably just not buy multi GPU instead of changing over to AMD.
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I doubt this would happen really. I think AMD/ATi is playing on the fact that you're open to choose what platform you run your multi GPUs on. Works out as them getting money either way. People who want Intel and multi GPU would most probably just not buy multi GPU instead of changing over to AMD.
Intel wont go bankrupt over something like this.
It would, however, make me consider a Mac (shudder!) with a lot of the fun element taken away from a home build PC.
One of the reasons Intel is planning to lock the chips is not because of home overclockers, but rather OEMs and firms like Overclockers buying up the lower chips and then selling them at a significant premium as pre-overclocked. This 'denies' the sale of a higher priced chip.
Intel are quitre happy that the 1% of the 10% overclock at home, especially with a great chip like the Core 2, because the word buzzes around that Intel rule omg!!!1111!!1 and they sell more chips.
Intel are quitre happy that the 1% of the 10% overclock at home, especially with a great chip like the Core 2, because the word buzzes around that Intel rule omg!!!1111!!1 and they sell more chips.
You have a good point there. I think it's pretty bad what OCUK are doing with their "3Ghz guaranteed" Q6600s considering most if not all of them will reach 3Ghz anyway. As for them caring about those who overclock at home, it's not the like Q6600 and 6700 are "cheap" chips in the first place, so I suppose a lot of people pay more to get more, if that makes sense.
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Sorry, didn't mean you specifically
We're all a touch MHz obsessed.
And SLI IS a delusion (at least until they make it a transparent system that works in all situations).
then Intel would probably push out Larrabee & try that with multi card, but can't see crossfire going from Intel, thou i could be wrong
Very messy situation... but i saw it coming.
Ever since Nvdias 680 and 7X0 chipsets have been pants compared to the intel chipset mobos it has occured to me that SLI on Intel is getting less and less attractive. Nvidia don't really wan't to be helping AMD anymore but Intel can force their hand.
So Intel block Nvidia form Nehalem, Nvidia mobos and SLI become AMD only. AMD sucks for the next 1-2 years and SLI, Nvidia mobos are on the verge of dieing out.
1 of 2 things happens.
a) Intel buys Nvidia at a reduced price -> Victory for Intel
b) Nvidia opens up SLI or just for Intel at a price -> Intel shift more mobos, Nvidia shifts more cards, AMD tanks, Intel wins.
There is of course a c
c) AMD blocks SLI on K11. SLI Opens up or dies. AMD ships more mobos or crossfire wins.
If Intel are doing this to hurt Nvidia shame on them. Greedy asses.
If Intel are going to this to force Nvidia's hand and give us Skulltrail on the cheap then alright, sounds good. Nvidia should be making their money on the gfx cards and double dipping by a vendor lock on the mobo as well. Get back to making excellent clocking mobos.
Another thought of course. Nvidia made the best Motherboards for Clocking Athlon's and so have experience with overclocking chips with integrated memory controllers. If Intel's chipsets can't be made to force Nehalem to overclock easyily then Nvidia could steal the entire Enthuasiast and above Intel Mobo market.
Bah... business politcs... so complicated.
Ever since Nvdias 680 and 7X0 chipsets have been pants compared to the intel chipset mobos it has occured to me that SLI on Intel is getting less and less attractive. Nvidia don't really wan't to be helping AMD anymore but Intel can force their hand.
So Intel block Nvidia form Nehalem, Nvidia mobos and SLI become AMD only. AMD sucks for the next 1-2 years and SLI, Nvidia mobos are on the verge of dieing out.
1 of 2 things happens.
a) Intel buys Nvidia at a reduced price -> Victory for Intel
b) Nvidia opens up SLI or just for Intel at a price -> Intel shift more mobos, Nvidia shifts more cards, AMD tanks, Intel wins.
There is of course a c
c) AMD blocks SLI on K11. SLI Opens up or dies. AMD ships more mobos or crossfire wins.
If Intel are doing this to hurt Nvidia shame on them. Greedy asses.
If Intel are going to this to force Nvidia's hand and give us Skulltrail on the cheap then alright, sounds good. Nvidia should be making their money on the gfx cards and double dipping by a vendor lock on the mobo as well. Get back to making excellent clocking mobos.
Another thought of course. Nvidia made the best Motherboards for Clocking Athlon's and so have experience with overclocking chips with integrated memory controllers. If Intel's chipsets can't be made to force Nehalem to overclock easyily then Nvidia could steal the entire Enthuasiast and above Intel Mobo market.
Bah... business politcs... so complicated.
How long did Nvidia think they could talk aggressively and not have a comeback personally i think Nvidia needed to be taught a lesson and Intel surely are the company to do it all completely foreseeable this had to happen sooner or later.
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Locking the FSB and Multi on the chips so you cannot overclock. The NB is getting integrated into the chips, hence the LGA1400ishp) package.
Though personally, I think its so they can sell their extreme models for twice the price and leave them unlocked for people to overclock.
No only the memory controller from the NB is getting integrated into the CPU.
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That depends really, if games demand benefit more from multi gpus rather than a more powerful CPU many games could opt for an AMD set up. Especially if its overclockable.
Locking the FSB and Multi on the chips so you cannot overclock. The NB is getting integrated into the chips, hence the LGA1400ish
Though personally, I think its so they can sell their extreme models for twice the price and leave them unlocked for people to overclock.
Ahh! I thought Spie had somehow got on the wrong side of Intel....
From the sounds of it, the plan is to have the FSB pretty much locked up as well.
Oh I know, I meant for people who had already gone intel, they wouldn't really want to swap most of their PC just to go dual GPUs.
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http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/06/04/Intel-embraces-overclocking-doesnt-extend-warranty_1.html
The above kind of goes against what Intel have said about next gen of CPU's.
1 min your not to OC, now you are encouraged.
I know its Mobo's but not much point if it cant OC their next CPU's
Long ago Intel claimed they could tell if a CPU had been OC'd.
I would be happy to loose warrenty to keep OC'ing, simply run the CPU at stock for a few weeks and if all is well start to OC it.
The above kind of goes against what Intel have said about next gen of CPU's.
1 min your not to OC, now you are encouraged.
I know its Mobo's but not much point if it cant OC their next CPU's
Long ago Intel claimed they could tell if a CPU had been OC'd.
I would be happy to loose warrenty to keep OC'ing, simply run the CPU at stock for a few weeks and if all is well start to OC it.
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Ahahahaha
You're kidding, right?
Oh, and it's called Fudzilla for a reason. I'll actually concern myself about it when a more reputable source backs this up.
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Wouldn't it be possible to develop a sli bridge simlar to the one in use (in terms of style), but with the features that the sli board have? ie you would only need a mb with x2 pci-e slots but with a new bridge. I know it sounds silly but with advancements in micro manufacturing could it be possible. Or have the features on the GF pcb. Either way the no support of Nehalem is bad news for everyone.
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Nice post. I would add an extra option.
d) Nvidia buys amd and sell off ATI in the process which would give nv the chance to offer full range of cpus/mobo/gpus.
I personally like this because it would mean that soon, pc games could start to come closer to the level of optimization that console games have. Even though all pc's are different the ablity to offer highly intergrate componets will help the biggest problem i think plagues pc games;optimization
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Why sell ATi? Their combined engineers could be used for many things, it would be a waste to sell them.
I think this is a good thing for AMD. They will have the best, most powerful overall configurations on the market when coupled with an Intel processor (Crossfire), anyone who wants to go SLi will have to buy an AMD chip, this is great for them. Nvidia, quite frankly, have asked for this by slating Intel at every opportunity. They should know better than to toy with a company on whom a fair margin of their profits is reliant on (chipsets, extra card sales, etc.).
Edit: Also, nVidia aren't nearly big enough to buy AMD:
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Edit: Also, nVidia aren't nearly big enough to buy AMD:
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