Slobodan Milosevic found dead

Gilly said:
Gotta wonder at that.

I beleive he was having the same treatment at the Hague as he would have got in Russia - the only real difference was that in Russia he'd have been nearer his wife, and potentially been more likely to have been broken out of jail/hospital.

They were saying on the news a few minutes ago that he had to be supervised to make sure he was taking his medication, as he had been caught trying to flush it down the bog.
 
The man was a monster, pure and simple.
I feel sorry for his victim’s families as they'll probably feel that justice hasn't been done, I'm not a religious person but I hope he burns in hell!
 
Would've been nice to get some closure - I wonder if they'll continue the investigations without him.

Seems a bit of a cop-out that he got to go peacefully in his sleep in a warm bed.
 
I read he had been on 24/7 Suicide watch at the prison recently. I cannot judge the man, that will be done by others now he has reached those who know the truth.
Seems like the trial was a farce anyway how can any fair trial take more than a few days in fair Western European court anyway?
 
Phnom_Penh said:
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Well deserved anyway, but a shame he escaped justice.

I didnt actually mean he was a nice guy.... lol it was a figure of speech. Im amazed you've never heard it before.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
I just wonder what the guards at his cell asked him at lunchtime.

' More salt Mr Milosevic ? '


Jezuz H of all things hairy Von, you don't half come out with some cracking lines :D I thought Bill Bailey had a strange mind but you take the biscuit matey :D Get yourself up on stage man and make yourself a fortune ;)
 
him and hitler will be cosey in hell... all they are waiting for now is sadam.

then they will all return with an army of hell warriors to take over the world..

bit like south park
 
hairyman said:
I read he had been on 24/7 Suicide watch at the prison recently. I cannot judge the man, that will be done by others now he has reached those who know the truth.
Seems like the trial was a farce anyway how can any fair trial take more than a few days in fair Western European court anyway?

Because of a little thing called evidence.

It can take a very long time to present all the evidence that is relevent to a case, even for something with just a single charge.
For something as big as the case in question you've got 60 odd charges, masses of documented evidence that can be presented and argued over.
 
I wonder how many of the people actually know the situation over there. I didn't know much and I still don't about this subject, I went on BBC expecting to see lots of comments like on here, but very few are. Some comments from BBC:

A hero! A Patriot who stood up to the World in an effort to stop Islamic fundamentalism. It's Funny how Milosevic was fighting to rid his country of the KLA and other fundamentalist groups that were trained and financed by al-qaeda, while Nato helped them by bombing the serbs, and letting bin-laden roam free in Albania during that time, preaching and paying his hate.
Fools they were and still are. Milosevic was the only one with the balls to do the right thing! HISTORY WILL JUDGE HIM KINDLY!!

The biggest war criminal of the former Yugoslavia was not Milosevic, but Izetbegovic. It is Izetbegovic who invited Al-Qaeda/islamic terrorists to the region in the early 1990's to start a campaign of terror against non muslims. And all the western leaders fell for the Bosnian muslims playing the role of the victims to perfection.

International justice is a farce, it always has been and likely always will be.

Here was a man who saw his people under threat, promised to defend them from attack [from armed muslim terrorists within the nation's borders] and for that was branded a 'war criminal'. His actions were nowhere near as catastrophic as those of bush/blair, who illegally invaded a sovereign nation that was NOT in the process of harming their people, killed tens of thousands of civillians, etc. So, the question is : when will we see the more deserving war criminals facing justice in the Hague?

Unlike most commentators here, I actually took the time and read the transcripts from his Kosovo trial. In my view, he proved his innocence on this count. Now he will never have the chance to do the same on the counts for Bosnia & Croatia.

I recommend to the general public to learn to read before they write, and to learn the facts before they form their oppinion.
 
To be honest i dont know why they even put him on trial, like saddam he was never going to be proved innocent. Even if he was the powers at be would make sure he was judged guilty. It was and still is for saddam a show trial of the worst kind.
 
Vanilla said:
I wonder how many of the people actually know the situation over there. I didn't know much and I still don't about this subject, I went on BBC expecting to see lots of comments like on here, but very few are. Some comments from BBC:

After the bombings UCK was free to do whatever they wanted, I don't see how letting those terrorist run wild is any good, Milosevic was not the best person in existance but he was fighting in his own country, now I don't know how many civilians he killed, and you can't really prove that he ordered the killings of innocent people, but how many civilians died during the bombings?

It's really pathetic to call him a war criminal and let Bush do whatever he wants, at least be frank, but you can't expect anyone to say that. Yes I understand that Bush does not give explicit orders to kill women and children but again you can't really prove that with Milosevic.
 
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pyro said:
After the bombings UCK was free to do whatever they wanted, I don't see how letting those terrorist run wild is any good, Milosevic was not the best person in existance but he was fighting in his own country, now I don't know how many civilians he killed, and you can't really prove that he ordered the killings of innocent people, but how many civilians died during the bombings?

It's really pathetic to call him a war criminal and let Bush do whatever he wants, at least be frank, but you can't expect anyone to say that. Yes I understand that Bush does not give explicit orders to kill women and children but again you can't really prove that with Milosevic.

He killed enough civilians to make boat loads of Kosovo refugees flea to Australia.
I wasnt very old then but i remember boat load after boat load of them fleaing and coming down here.
Now tell me, if he wasnt a war criminal ordering lots of killing would they all be getting up leaving there lives behind and coming down here :rolleyes:
 
How do you know that he ordered the killings...? Because they came to your country? Of course they did theirs was being bombed by NATO.
 
Regarding the comments taken from the bbc, I am not surprised by some of the comments made, IMO a sad attempt to justify the war(s).

You see what does my head in these days is when people say the wars in bosnia and kosovo were all about stopping Al-Qaeda/islamic terrorists/fundamentalism. Pull the other one! Al-Qaeda did not even exist back in 92 when the war kicked off in Bosnia and regarding the UCK/KLA during the Kosovo fighting all of a sudden they are supposedly an Al-Qaeda sponsored and trained organisation again at a time when no one knew didly squat about them.

At the time of the Bosnia war, there were foreign fighters fighting for all sides: westerners (i.e. brits, french, germans, dutch etc.) fought with Croats, russians/greeks fought with Serbs [we are not talking about hundreds/thousands but nationals from the above countries were there] and the Bosnians had volunteers from other islamic countries. Now these fighters tended to be referred to as Mujahajdeen (Holy Warriors - usually wore green armbands and bandanas). They have always popped up in wars involving islamic people/countries, i.e. the afghan-russian war. They were without doubt fierce but ruthless fighters who comitted numerous attrocities, just like the other paramilitary units from the other sides.

All sides butchered each other, tried to capture as much land as possible and ethnically cleanse these regions. This happened in 3 of the 4 yugo wars. With Bosnia you had the serbs who wanted to stay with yugo/serbia proper, the croats who wanted to stay with Croatia and the Bosnians who wanted their own independent country within the internationally recognised borders of Bosnia. And to now say it was all about stopping islamic fundamentalism - i don't agree with sorry.

pyro said:
After the bombings UCK was free to do whatever they wanted, I don't see how letting those terrorist run wild is any good, Milosevic was not the best person in existance but he was fighting in his own country, now I don't know how many civilians he killed, and you can't really prove that he ordered the killings of innocent people, but how many civilians died during the bombings?

It's really pathetic to call him a war criminal and let Bush do whatever he wants, at least be frank, but you can't expect anyone to say that. Yes I understand that Bush does not give explicit orders to kill women and children but again you can't really prove that with Milosevic.

I agree with Pyro that the UCK were let free to do what they want, there was no plan of containment by NATO as in what do we after the fighting ends. Well to me at the time it was obvious the UCK were going to take advantage of the situation and some would be hell bent on revenge. A lot of kosovans suffered years of oppression but at the same time it does not justify some of things that have happened since. Kosovo is one of those things you can argue about until the world ends, one side wants to retain control and the other wants total independence - and neither will budge.

Did Milosevic order the killings of civilians? A guy in his position would never do so. He left that up to the military and police units as well as the psycho paramilitary thugs. But he knew what was going down and failed to act on it. To say he didn't would be daft. He oversaw 4 wars - slovenia, croatia, bosnia and kosovo and apart from slovenia people were ethically cleansed, murdered, executed in all of the others. He hid behind the local leaders (Babic, Martic, Karadzic, Plavsic) but he was pulling the strings and knew exactly what he was doing.

And to say people left because they were being bombed by NATO come on. Lets be honest, you don't pack up and leave everything behind just like that.

It was a shameful as well as brutal tactic of ethnic cleansing that occured again and again and again. A case of history repeating itself. It happened too many times.

During the fighting in Croatia, I had friends and family ordered to leave at gun point from their homes to then see their life belongings go up in smoke. The elderly father of a good family friend was butchered. It was nasty and people feared for their lives. And this happened on all sides throughout 3 of the 4 wars.

Milosevic was in the Hague answering the charges made against him for the part he played and make no mistake he was a criminal. He wasn't responsible for everything that happened, at the end of the day the people were the daft ones to follow such ogres.

Yes Bush is a criminal too, double-standards i am afraid, and I hate that too.
 
but he is responsible for the violent brake up of the Yugoslavia , it was him who led the Yugoslav army against the other nations. If he was a better politician he would have avoided that, just like Czechs and Slovaks achieved.

he also established a police state terrorizing citizens , clearly a dictactor.
 
Werewolf said:
Because of a little thing called evidence.

It can take a very long time to present all the evidence that is relevent to a case, even for something with just a single charge.
For something as big as the case in question you've got 60 odd charges, masses of documented evidence that can be presented and argued over.
Yes I understand about the evidence but surely one case is enough to convict , long trials mostly bring the law into disrepute, this ran for years. Judges were sitting as jurors in this case , like the Nuremburg Trials of the Nazis after WW2 , so at least "civilian jurors" were not subjected to this cruel and unusual punishment.
Talking of the Nuremburg trials I think they were over fairly quickly I know the rules of evidence were different then but maybe they were a better example. My father ( recently deceased ) collected photographic evidence for them , he was an RAF photographer and went to Belsen-Bergen camp only days after it was liberated. He was given a pass signed by Gen Eisenhower that gave him access to all Germany for this purpose. He rarely talked about these times. But I know in his service from 1938-46 he knew this part made a small difference to future the responsibilities of military personell ( about I was only following orders etc).
 
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