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Small PHEVs?
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lol DOH!
(its pre coffee give me a break 
)in which case it does not make much sense not selling here........ other than profit margins on a smaller car like i alluded to. people do still buy small cars, but they (understandably) expect to pay less for them.
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I suspect it's more because the Prius just doesn't sell particularly well here in recent years.
Most stuff Toyota has in the UK is doing 10,000 to 15,000 cars per year min (obvious Supra/GR86 exceptions) - the Corolla has been managing nearly 20,000 per year for the last couple of years whilst you need to go back to 2016 for the last time the Prius managed more than 5,000 sales.
I suspect part of the problem is UK buyers don't have any real idea what a Prius offers them that a Corolla doesn't these days, apart from being the butt of a load of taxi driver jokes at work.
Most stuff Toyota has in the UK is doing 10,000 to 15,000 cars per year min (obvious Supra/GR86 exceptions) - the Corolla has been managing nearly 20,000 per year for the last couple of years whilst you need to go back to 2016 for the last time the Prius managed more than 5,000 sales.
I suspect part of the problem is UK buyers don't have any real idea what a Prius offers them that a Corolla doesn't these days, apart from being the butt of a load of taxi driver jokes at work.
Older Prius' just look like taxis, which is all they were bought for. Now they finally make a desirable one and we can't get it
The 2023 model is a flippin sexy looking, efficient, small car.
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As said corrola offers same drive trains and isn't so ugly - rear passengers/children in a 23 Prius look like they will be in the dark (like P4), it is still a bit slab sided.
and Nissan e-power - home team? seems to have same non-approach - no small aerodynamic saloons/estates just SUV's
Honda hybrid offering sounds a lot less whiney than most cvt's https://youtu.be/rBmzu9x-jz8?t=377, maybe it's all artificial rpm noises, always impressed by quality in the civic my sister had.
and Nissan e-power - home team? seems to have same non-approach - no small aerodynamic saloons/estates just SUV's
Honda hybrid offering sounds a lot less whiney than most cvt's https://youtu.be/rBmzu9x-jz8?t=377, maybe it's all artificial rpm noises, always impressed by quality in the civic my sister had.
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Also because only Taxi drivers buy Prius' and a handful of the ones I've been in recently have been 300k+ miles and the drivers have no intention on replacing.
It’s charges the battery itself rather than from a wall. Not sure why the hate. It’s a pretty literally explanation
It's disingenuous marketing which rightly earned Toyota some bad press on the ethics front.
No one would consider describing a regular ICE car self propelling. Battery regen capture is more of an ICE efficiency tech but Toyota opted to present it as better than regular hybrids because you don't need the faf of plugging it in to charge.
No one would consider describing a regular ICE car self propelling. Battery regen capture is more of an ICE efficiency tech but Toyota opted to present it as better than regular hybrids because you don't need the faf of plugging it in to charge.
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My 2001 Honda Insight has a battery. The car charges it itself without relying on a plug. That would be a plug in hybrid. I don’t really see the issue with naming it self charging and I don’t care if Kryton from Red Dwarf disagrees.
I find the mis use of SI units, ie 100kWh charger far more of a foul.
I find the mis use of SI units, ie 100kWh charger far more of a foul.
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It’s not self propelling though, it has an engine that internally combusts fuel…
real world environmental benefits of phev/self-charging/mild hybrid designations more worthy of hate/contempt,
manufacturer & owner has a lower tax bill, not necessarily passed on to the environment
- owner has disabled the stop-start, or never plugin the phev (maybe older surveys that showed trend that most business users didn't plugin are out of date),
carbon cost of their batteries and those of BEV's notwithstanding.
manufacturer & owner has a lower tax bill, not necessarily passed on to the environment
- owner has disabled the stop-start, or never plugin the phev (maybe older surveys that showed trend that most business users didn't plugin are out of date),
carbon cost of their batteries and those of BEV's notwithstanding.
Sorry but you're huffing on the crack pipe if you think the Corolla is better looking than the 2023 Prius! Don't give a toss about passengers, I just want a desirable looking small efficient car that can occasionally fit a couple people in the back and has room for a big boulder pad or two with the seats down.
The 2023 Prius might have actually got me to buy new for the first time.....but no way I'm shelling out showroom tax for a Corolla.
To be honest it sounds like a reasonably efficient EV would be better than a PHEV which is going to be a compromise. Something like an eNiro, Kona, Ioniq, MG4 - none of which are particularly large, but are going to be far more practical than a small car with an already tiny boot which is made even more tiny by virtue of being half full of batteries.
I think you're overestimating how difficult it is to do the odd long trip.
Failing that, as someone has already suggested, get 2 cars - a cheap short range EV like an old Zoe or Leaf, and a long range ICE for the occasional trips (or just hire something as needed)
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i have mentioned the i3, i really like that car and i know many here like it and many dont (which is fair enough), however IF we dont get one of those in the next 2 or 3 years.... i could definitely see one of these on our drive way in my future as our 2nd car. no idea how good it will be, but the looks just bring out the 17 year old hot hatch chav in me. I just hope the production version matches the concept. (its a pure EV however)
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All electric is a no-go for me until charging infrastructure is radically improved, which I can't see happening in the next 5 years minimum. I live in a terrace with no off street parking.i have mentioned the i3, i really like that car and i know many here like it and many dont (which is fair enough), however IF we dont get one of those in the next 2 or 3 years.... i could definitely see one of these on our drive way. in my future. no idea how good it will be, but the looks just bring out the 17 year old hot hatch chav in me. I just hope the production version matches the concept
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yeah that would be a non starter for me as well...
to be honest because we are fortunate enough to have our own drive way, i often forget that the majority of folk in the uk probably dont......... and you are right, people involved in charging point roll outs need a size 11 boot up their ass to get moving..I also suggest that any company who have taken a grant to install charge points and who then fail to actually make sure they work should probably have some form of penalty. a charge point which does not work is worse than not having one at all as it just gives a false sense of security when you do a basic zapmap scan and see a plethora of charging options, only to learn a bunch of them dont work.
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Nothing relating to personal mobility should be worthy of hate.
Hate is such a strong, much abused word.
Frankly, utter contempt does seem entirely reasonable for people who insist on nipping down the road to Waitrose in some enormous SUV to pick up a copy of the Daily Mail and a couple of almond croissants.
London has better public transport than almost anywhere else in the country, people should learn either to use it or to walk.
Nobody in London needs an SUV for their "personal mobility"; the ULEZ is one small first step for Londoners.