'Snooper's Charter' law being rushed through.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the security services wish to know who I call, what I say and what I look at on the web, let them. It's all very dull and I'm sure they'll get bored very quickly and move on to people of actual interest. And if the powers are ever misused I expect there to be appropriate legislation to cover that (as with the Police looking things up on their databases).

And to the people who say that this is an infringement on their liberties and/or a step too far I'd ask this: what actual impact would this have on your law abiding way of life?
 
apg said:
exactly my thoughts.

Unfortunately there are always going to be a vocal group lunatic liberal luvvies who just bellow and shout about things like this. Hopefully though these new measures will prevent crimes being committed against innocents.
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"lunatic liberal luvvies" Oh god seriously? You sound like you get all your opinions from the daily mail. Try spending less time being told what your opinion is and more time actually forming one of your own.

The benefits gained from a law like this come nowhere close to outweighing the liberties lost for the public as a whole.

I assume you're okay with weekly inspections by the Gestapo/GCHQ snooping around your house for any possible breach of the law that they can prosecute you over if they desire?

All this does is give the leading power in the country the knowledge required to initiate a smear campaign against anyone who dares speak up against them. Even if it's legal would you be okay with every single aspect of your private life being printed in your local papers? Every single thing you've ever looked at on the Internet being told to your family, friends, local nosey woman in the pub?

The reason this is such a massive deal is that for many people the Internet has become their private getaway from reality, maybe someone likes RPing as a unicorn on some dodgy text based chatroom. Why should anyone have the right to know about that other than himself. He's not harming anyone by doing it, it's his decision who knows about it. 5 years later he goes to run for office, vocally speaking out against the powers that be. How odd, his private Internet life has just made its way into the papers somehow!

Does how incredibly bad this is really need to be gone into in more detail or can you understand now why no one ever should be allowed access to your private life so long as you're not breaking the law.

There are plenty of legitimate ways of catching sexual predators and terrorists. If they wanted to allow essentially wire-tapping of specific websites after a court order to trace who accesses them then that would be fine. It's the mass recording and surveillance of the public that goes against everything that a government should be striving to protect, not infringe upon.
 
Surely this will just add to the cat and mouse game, anyone serious enough about not wanting to be caught e.g the really bad guys will just use vpns/tor etc to mask their traffic till out of the UK. Its like trying to stop drugs by going for the street guys.
 
Freefaller said:
Fantastic! :D
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When in private, we likes to pirate
We don't cause trouble (But make RIAA irate)
We're just some geeks who're up all night
And when we're up all night you'll see our bandwidth usage spike
For all my blogs keepin y'all in health
Just to see you smile and enjoy yourself
Cuz it's cool when ya see an HD release
Which we create, cuz we are leet
So listen close, to what we say
Because these types of rips are released every-day
I woke up around 10 o'clock in the mornin
Gave myself a boot up, some mornin porn and
went to the bathroom to wash up
I threw some soap on my face and put my hands up on a cup
and said um "Mirror mirror, on, the wall
Who is the top lol of them all?"
There was a rubble dubble, five minutes it lasted
The mirror said, "I can haz cheezburger, you conceited R-tard"
Well that's true, that's why we never have no beef
So I logged on to COD to give noobs some grief
Used Aim of Bot, cuz my skillz are lame
And then I got VAC banned, which was a shame
I'm true to the style on my behalf
I groomed my neckbeard fierce, totally bad-ass
Clean, dry, was my body and hair
I installed my brand new, shiny hardware
for all the bitches I might download
I got the Johnson baby lotion and am all alone
Now I'm fresh, ready to watch some chicks get ****
Reached for the Kleenex to wipe up my muck.
Logged on to h33t, stopped short, oh noes.
Logged back out, can't get my distros.

/wasted lunch break
 
@MikeTheNative and @WillyNelson

Can you not imagine a situation in your future that your bad habits may come back to bite you?

What if they make that Porn you like so much illegal some time in the future?

What if you have a messy divorce where your browsing habits are used against you in defence of your children?

What if you are accused of an offence that some computer algorithm has determined matches your character due to your browsing habits?

What if you become a high profile professional who accidentally upsets the wrong person with Government connections?

What if you do something stupid sometime in the future and the Daily Mail runs a story on you, using all these little bits of info you left online to paint you out as a monster? (ok, not government surveillance as such, but is still related to privacy online)

All this "boring" information you describe is far from it if everything is collected and patterns discerned from how you live your life now. It can and probably will come back to bite you.

Its got nothing to do with not having anything to hide. Its about personal privacy to live your life peacefully and without being under un-necessary surveillance.

I really do hope you dont seriously belive nothing bad can come of this.
 
meandu229 said:
Surely this will just add to the cat and mouse game, anyone serious enough about not wanting to be caught e.g the really bad guys will just use vpns/tor etc to mask their traffic till out of the UK. Its like trying to stop drugs by going for the street guys.
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It will have the effect of forcing anybody who wishes to remain anonymous this way as well. Slippy slope. What then; more intrusion?
 
thep02 said:
PITCHFORKS N TORCHES TIME!!!!!
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Haha sounds like a plan!

StonedPenguin said:
TOR comes to mind :)
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Not so much, a friend of mine works for a company who have built a system designed to monitor all these VPN networks. God knows how many government servers are on there pretending to be the good guys! It's still useful but no doubt they already have everything monitored.
 
The problem 'liberals' have with this - and i count myself in that category - is that it starts of with a simple "we're just going to look here and here, we're just going to restrict you a little bit... you know, for your own good" soon transpires into something much greater. Our grandfathers fought and died to protect our freedoms, and now we're in the digital age we have to fight for our freedom a second time, only in a different capacity.

Yes, if there are abuses legislation MAY come around to eventually patch the holes, but how many people will be wrongly accused or snooped upon before this happens? You could say the same about the death penalty for Christ sake. And eventually this will be life and death; mention playing bomberman on your computer whilst making a phone call? EH OH, the po po are knocking down your door.

There was a news article not all that long ago about a black youth in London who was arrested and detained because on CCTV he 'looked to put a gun down his trousers' - it was his phone.

The point is, everyone should have a right to privacy. I don't care if my phone calls are boring as ****. They're my goddamn phone calls. The Government is there to serve the peoples interests, not spy on them.

We're all going to end up like in V for Vendetta. Ruled by psychopaths who do all they can to stomp down the population.

**** this ****.
 
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@MikeTheNative and @WillyNelson

Can you not imagine a situation in your future that your bad habits may come back to bite you?

What if they make that Porn you like so much illegal some time in the future?

What if you have a messy divorce where your browsing habits are used against you in defence of your children?

What if you are accused of an offence that some computer algorithm has determined matches your character due to your browsing habits?

What if you become a high profile professional who accidentally upsets the wrong person with Government connections?

What if you do something stupid sometime in the future and the Daily Mail runs a story on you, using all these little bits of info you left online to paint you out as a monster? (ok, not government surveillance as such, but is still related to privacy online)

All this "boring" information you describe is far from it if everything is collected and patterns discerned from how you live your life now. It can and probably will come back to bite you.

Its got nothing to do with not having anything to hide. Its about personal privacy to live your life peacefully and without being under un-necessary surveillance.

I really do hope you dont seriously belive nothing bad can come of this.
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It is really going to mess with the next generation of kids. All the teenagers who post everything they do on facebook, ******* and the rest of these sites don't seem to realise that the sites own EVERYTHING they post and no doubt it will be used against them in the future...
 
PM asks if we want paedophiles and extremists to communicate without it being possible to intercept communications
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still communicating with your mates though amirite?
maybe instead of this he should be worrying where the pedo documents disappeared .... oh wait gotta scratch each others backs


they can do the above anyway if they really want all this does is makes it easy to snoop on your own people
 
Bongman said:
@MikeTheNative and @WillyNelson

Can you not imagine a situation in your future that your bad habits may come back to bite you?

What if they make that Porn you like so much illegal some time in the future?

What if you have a messy divorce where your browsing habits are used against you in defence of your children?

What if you are accused of an offence that some computer algorithm has determined matches your character due to your browsing habits?

What if you become a high profile professional who accidentally upsets the wrong person with Government connections?

What if you do something stupid sometime in the future and the Daily Mail runs a story on you, using all these little bits of info you left online to paint you out as a monster? (ok, not government surveillance as such, but is still related to privacy online)

All this "boring" information you describe is far from it if everything is collected and patterns discerned from how you live your life now. It can and probably will come back to bite you.

Its got nothing to do with not having anything to hide. Its about personal privacy to live your life peacefully and without being under un-necessary surveillance.

I really do hope you dont seriously belive nothing bad can come of this.
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What if the government pass a law making breathing illegal?

I confess I'm not fully aware of the process by which the authorities may access the data that companies will be required to keep, however we do have data protection laws which mean that personal data may not be freely handed over to organisations or individuals, so most of your scenarios don't work. If they ever want to get rid of those Data Protection laws, then that will be much more serious.
 
They could get away with pushing loads of anti-terrorism laws at the min with the panic around British citizens coming back from Syria brainwashed and radicalised.

Things are only going to get worse in the Middle East so I wouldn't be surprised if some other emergency laws appear in the near future.
 
arknor said:
still communicating with your mates though amirite?
maybe instead of this he should be worrying where the pedo documents disappeared .... oh wait gotta scratch each others backs


they can do the above anyway if they really want all this does is makes it easy to snoop on your own people
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To be fair, I think the PM is also worrying about where the paedo documents went, which is why he's trying to set up an inquiry at the moment.
 
MonkeyMan said:
They could get away with pushing loads of anti-terrorism laws at the min with the panic around British citizens coming back from Syria brainwashed and radicalised.

Things are only going to get worse in the Middle East so I wouldn't be surprised if some other emergency laws appear in the near future.
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yea our government and america loves terrorists in the middle east makes passing laws like this dead easy.

no wonder isis has had free reign in iraq no western countrys actually want's to stop them whilst they can use them for their own gains
 
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