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So 14nm is here...

Looking at the roadmaps it will be at least the middle of next year until 14NM CPUs are launched by Intel. Haswell was only launched a few months ago and nu-Atom is still yet to reach availability.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Looking at the roadmaps it will be at least the middle of next year until 14NM CPUs are launched by Intel. Haswell was only launched a few months ago and nu-Atom is still yet to reach availability.
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But where does this leave Haswell Refresh then? Isn't this supposed to be released also next year but is still on 22nm ?
 
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But where does this leave Haswell Refresh then? Isn't this supposed to be released also next year but is still on 22nm ?
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Maybe the 22nm refresh was a rumor, put out so people will still buy into Ivy -E rather than wait for 14nm Broadwell ;) It could be that 14nm is coming to 1150 after all..

Would be cool to get a 14nm 5770K drop in '1150' upgrade next year..
 
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By the end of 2013 ? So Broadwell desktops will be launching the same year as Haswell ?
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Nope. If you look at the last 7years when has Intel ever replaced a current CPU design within six months??

Unlikely it seems going by history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core

Intel has demoed SB,IB and Haswell months before entering retail. In fact the latter has supposedly been in production since Q4 2012 and was released in June this year. Even AMD showed off Trinity laptops months before retail availability and Kaveri has been demoed in laptops already,months ahead of availability. BD performance was demonstrated months before release. Qualcomm does it.Apple does it.Almost all companies do it for the sake of investors.

Moreover,both ES,QS and prototype chips are around for sometimes a year before retail availability,for QA,testing and integration purposes.

Broadwell is still 2014,according to all sources I have seen in the last two days(nicked from Anandtech forums):

http://techreport.com/news/25342/intel-demos-working-14-nm-broadwell-chip-to-ship-soon
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7309/intel-14nm-progress-update-broadwell-airmont-on-schedule
http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/11/i...ooks-and-plans-to-make-3d-gestures-pervasive/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7318/intel-demos-14nm-broadwell-up-to-30-lower-power-than-haswell

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But where does this leave Haswell Refresh then? Isn't this supposed to be released also next year but is still on 22nm ?
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Its most likely,that Haswell for desktops will still remain,so Intel can have higher utilisation rates on its 22NM fabs. From what I gather,Skylake which is the next tock,is where the new desktop release will be.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
A octo Intel chip could have been made EASILY on 22nm, probably on 32nm as well without even being much bigger seeing as you would be removing the IGP which isn't small. Die size is the real cost to Intel in terms of what they can make and still be profitable, octo core without IGP has been well inside what they can make sizewise for ages.
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Intel made octo-core on 45nm back in 2010. 'Beckton' Xeons (X6550, X7550, X7555, X7560). But I wouldn't call them 'affordable', the technology was there and had been for (probably) several years before that! :p

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon
Beckton or Nehalem-EX (EXpandable server market) is a Nehalem-based processor with up to eight cores and uses buffering inside the chipset to support up to 16 standard DDR3 DIMMS per CPU socket without requiring the use of FB-DIMMS.[23] Unlike all previous Xeon MP processors, Nehalem-EX uses the new LGA 1567 package, replacing the Socket 604 used in the previous models, up to Xeon 7400 "Dunnington". The 75xx models have four QuickPath interfaces, so it can be used in up-to eight-socket configurations, while the 65xx models are only for up to two sockets. Designed by the Digital Enterprise Group (DEG) Santa Clara and Hudson Design Teams, Beckton is manufactured on the P1266 (45 nm) technology. Its launch in March 2010 coincided with that of its direct competitor, AMD's Opteron 6xxx "Magny-Cours".
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There is no replacement for 1150 Haswell until 2015. It'll only get refreshed / clock bumped next year. LGA Broadwell (possibly BGA desktop too) got cancelled entirely.

Only interesting product Intel's launching in the next 18 months - 2 years is Haswell-E this time next year.
 
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