So I accidently built a SFF.

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I wasn't planning on building a SFF PC, but after messing about building an eGPU for my Ally X late last year, it turns out I didnt really need it as the Ally X was great on its own as a portable device without really having any need to dock it. Especially with the faff of cables etc..

So I had a S400 case (inc pcie 4.0 riser), with a very handy handle for portability, housing a SFF v850 PSU (new) powering a 4070Ti TUFOC I'd picked up from MM last year (bargain of the year looking a todays prices!).

I wasn't far away from having a full blown mini PC, so I looked into shopping for some more bits and I've now got a superb little SFF PC that can easily game at 4K with a few tweaks, and will most likely hide behind the TV for some PC sofa gaming.

The build is as follows:

I bought a Ryzen 7 9700x, second hand, only a few months old. Its an extremely capable CPU that boosts high and runs at low Watts, so great at keeping the temperature down inside a small case.

The cooler I bought new, a Noctua NH-L9x65 which is only 65mm high as thats the max height the S400 case supports.

Mini ITX motherboards don't come up for sale second hand too often so that was a new purchase. I couldn't see the point in spending mega money on a bells and whistles mobo, but something that had enough features and was capable of using the unlocked CPU if I fancied tweaking things. I ended up with the AsRock B650i Lightening Wifi, which has turned out to be a cracking purchase.

The memory I also bought new. Some Kingston Fury Beast 32Gb CL32 6400MT/s Black to match the build and low profile as I wasn't sure about any clearance issues....There weren't any as it turned out.


It was relatively easy to do the build, although cable management isnt the easiest in a small case, especially feeding a 4070Ti and Nvidia's 12vhpwr connector/adapter.
At the top of the case I have a 120mm fan running quietly to suck the warm air out of the case and out upwards.
The Noctua CPU fan was a little a too noisy for my liking. It made a rather annoying high pitched whiney noise as it pushed air through the heatsink fins...So that got changed for a 90mm Thermalright fan that sounds a lot nicer as it spins up. Granted its got a different blade design, but the temps on the CPU are still perfectly fine.
After some tweaking I've got the bios set to enable PBO with a 75C limit using a -20mv curve. That seems a very good performance balance for this small system without getting silly temperatures and screaming fans :D
The memory, I ended up running 6000MT/s at CL30 with 1:1 mode.


The downside:

I plugged this into my 'old' 48" Samsung front room TV....1080P@60Hz Max.......Booooo. I need a new TV now :D So I'm now eyeing up some LG OLED goodness for the front room.

Even so Games look fantastic running at 4K using DSR downscaled to 1080 locked at 60.... Smooth and looks great.

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Looks lovely! I am always a sucker for a SFF build. For the first time in ages I built a new machine recently and went for a full size ATX case for a change so I could use a Fractal North case and for a bit more flexibility but still kinda wish I went SFF again!
 
Cheers, over all these years I've never looked at building a PC this small. And I've got to say I really do like the idea....I'm now looking at my 4090 gaming PC and wondering if I can squeeze its 9800X3D & the 4090 into this little case :D It's not as if the 9800X3D has got a lot of work to do at 4K.

Oh and today I picked up a LG 55" B4 OLED for the front room, I'm typing this reply sat on the sofa soaking up the OLED greatness :D I'm not sure what the Mrs thinks about all this, but hey ho Happy Easter everyone :cool:
 
how dose the 9700x perform with the little cooler?


you can all pay a little more :cry: :cry:

Its pretty good, and seems to be a perfect match to a SFF build. Its a low 65W, 8core/16 threads that boosts up to 5.5Ghz without breaking a sweat.

A lot of the initial reviews for the 9700x weren't that impressive because I think reviewers were looking at it from an upgrade perspective, but I'm not upgrading. The chip is unlocked and can be fed with much higher Watts if you want, but at 65W it can run plenty quick enough across all cores without getting that hot, great for a smaller cooler and without having a fast fan speed, while still managing great performance.

I've found a nice balance using one of the bios presets, that enables PBO, limits the temp to 75C while using a -20mv curve. (modern bios options are fantastic nowadays)
This gives me 21K in multi core cinebench R23, while never going over 75C. That equates to all cores running between 4.8 & 5.2 Ghz And it seems perfectly fine while gaming with the 4070Ti

Its a highly underrated chip, hence its very friendly price, and there are a few reviewers out there that have reviewed it very well for what it can do.

I did take some advice from this youtuber from a quick search:

The first part of his review is more of a rant about other reviewers and their limited testing method (apparently).

And I did pick it up cheaper than current used 7800X3D prices :)
 
WiFi works fine tbh. And we've just upgraded to full fibre with BT, so the speed is pretty good.

The only thing plugged into it at the moment is the power cord & hdmi cable.
I'm using a Bluetooth keyboard & track pad combo and a wireless Gamesir Cyclone2 game controller which has it's own usb receiver.

I'm trying to keep it simple and minimal, yet fully functional.

The BT keyboard wasn't that expensive from Amazon, and it's surprisingly really good.

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Nobody likes scary questions like that :D

£99 S400 case.
£160 Asrock B650i Lightening WiFi.
£50 Noctua NHL9 65 cooler.
£17 Thermalright contact frame.
£111 32Gb Kingston Fury Beast.
£210 Ryzen 9700x (2nd hand). I think they are £290 new.
£96 Cooler Master V850W PSU, needed for the GPU.
£35 Bluetooth keyboard.
£7 120mm fan

Total is £785

The 4070Ti TUF was £450

I had a spare 2TB Samsung 980Pro, not sure how much they are nowadays.


I'm really quite impressed how well this runs on a modern OLED TV 120Hz @ 4k
I feel like I've been living in the past where high end pc gaming had always been a desktop setup. Now I just need to reprogram my oldie brain away from mouse and keyboard and over to game controller :p

Next little mod is to install an RF power remote. Then the little box can be fully hidden behind the TV cabinet and turned on remotely.

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So, do you think if I put a 25 Gig dual SFP+ card into this it would work?
Could it be capable to rount 25 Gig symmetrical?
 
So, do you think if I put a 25 Gig dual SFP+ card into this it would work?
Could it be capable to rount 25 Gig symmetrical?
Yeah that's above my pay grade, sorry I wouldn't know.

The pcie slot on this particular Asrock mobo is pcie 4.0 x16, a quick Google for whatever you're talking about above seems to imply the requirement of pcie 3.0 x8. So I would imagine it's fine, as the mobo slot goes beyond the requirements (I think). But you would need to get that clarification from someone who knows about the gear your asking about.
 
Its funny how things turn out.....

The garden solar lights broke, I decided to replace them with a sturdier mains powered set, and thought what a great idea to have a smart plug control them from the garage socket, using an app on my phone to time them etc.....So off I went shopping at the usual next day delivery place.

I now have a smart plug powering my SFF, tucked behind my new TV, attached to my Google account, with voice command to power on my new little PC via the smart screen thingies dotted about the house.

Totally impressed with myself, I started explaining its greatness to the Mrs....And the first thing she said was how wonderful it will be, now she can turn my gaming time off when she decides I've had enough....WTF!

 
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