Ha! Poe's Law strikes again. (Edit apparently I mean Poe's Corollary instead)
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So, is the petrol running out and stuff?
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Ha! Poe's Law strikes again. (Edit apparently I mean Poe's Corollary instead)
It's tragic that as a result of demand conditions we're seeing the likes of the BMW M division develop cars like the X5 M and the X6 M. They're a complete waste of time, they stand for anything BUT what the M Division stands for, they're there to satisfy demand not passion. They're not precision instruments and because of their existence potential cars like the Z4 M are non existent.
Whatever applies to fuel applies to all oil by-products. Fuel is something that people can experience directly and is directly correlated to the cost of oil extraction/production.
Peak oil is based on forecasts and assumptions at a given moment in time, ignoring scientific progress and future reserve findings. Forecasting therefore has little, if any, credibility.
Haha, talk about your law of unintended consequences.
Oh im sure its intended, the government build speed bumps, the people move to cars that handle them better, the government see an increase in road tax/fuel duty revenue, its a conspiracy I tells ya!
NB: As this is the internet I should probably clarify I don't actually believe the is a government level conspiracy going on here, it was an attempt at humour, do not flame.
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Could be worse. I saw I guy doing 90+ in a Prius the other day. Talk about totally missing the point.
You aren't going to stop people buying powerful (and in the case of Chelsea Tractors stupid) cars if they have the money to afford them.
You aren't going to stop people buying powerful (and in the case of Chelsea Tractors stupid) cars if they have the money to afford them.
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I have mixed views on this. Firstly there is absolutely no proof that any new deposits are being formed or at least nothing we can detect. So by that very fact its absolutely a finite resource.
Like everything of this nature it will get harder and harder to extract, baring new finds which can put that path back a step or two, but its inevitable it will get harder and harder. At the same time the global population is increasing, and demand is going up faster than the population growth due to developing countries, especially china increasing demand at a high rate.
This inevitably leads to price inflation.
Its claimed there isnt massive investment in new oil facilities, who knows if this is true or not.
There is also supposed over production by most of the main oil producers from OPEC and that there is very limited ability to boost production since they are already doing so despite not being supposed to from OPEC agreements.
Back to the excess usage of some vs others, its no different to any other resource, oil, gas, water, food, space pretty much everything that is finite will be consumed more by those with significant money than those without. How do you limit them on anything?
Personally I hate 4x4s on the road, I dont see any point in them at all. I may be biased by one mates wifes grandmother being killed by one on xmas day, but bets are it never went off road, and police stated that accident would not have been fatal if the car she was travelling in had been hit by a car as opposed to a 4x4.
The fuel consumption point is null to me, there are plenty of much more thirsty vehicles about, all I hope is for a continued trend of those most polluting pay an escalating amount to run them.
Like everything of this nature it will get harder and harder to extract, baring new finds which can put that path back a step or two, but its inevitable it will get harder and harder. At the same time the global population is increasing, and demand is going up faster than the population growth due to developing countries, especially china increasing demand at a high rate.
This inevitably leads to price inflation.
Its claimed there isnt massive investment in new oil facilities, who knows if this is true or not.
There is also supposed over production by most of the main oil producers from OPEC and that there is very limited ability to boost production since they are already doing so despite not being supposed to from OPEC agreements.
Back to the excess usage of some vs others, its no different to any other resource, oil, gas, water, food, space pretty much everything that is finite will be consumed more by those with significant money than those without. How do you limit them on anything?
Personally I hate 4x4s on the road, I dont see any point in them at all. I may be biased by one mates wifes grandmother being killed by one on xmas day, but bets are it never went off road, and police stated that accident would not have been fatal if the car she was travelling in had been hit by a car as opposed to a 4x4.
The fuel consumption point is null to me, there are plenty of much more thirsty vehicles about, all I hope is for a continued trend of those most polluting pay an escalating amount to run them.
I plan to have a 4x4 at some point, but I also plan on using it off road, and having a smaller, less thirsty car for trips to the shops etc.
Nothing does my head in more than seeing a 4x4 without a fleck of dirt on it and a singular person inside. I don't know why, but women driving them agrivates me more than men. The "I have kids I need to get to school" argument is invalid, most 4x4's have 5 seats, like preeeeeetty much every other car. Nower days a 4x4 is a luxury.
A man who lives up the road from me has just bought a Hummer. Dread to think how much that thing costs to run.
Nothing does my head in more than seeing a 4x4 without a fleck of dirt on it and a singular person inside. I don't know why, but women driving them agrivates me more than men. The "I have kids I need to get to school" argument is invalid, most 4x4's have 5 seats, like preeeeeetty much every other car. Nower days a 4x4 is a luxury.
A man who lives up the road from me has just bought a Hummer. Dread to think how much that thing costs to run.
The is no definitive proof of this, the stuff they tell us in school about oil coming from fossils trapped underground for centuries isn't actually fact, just the most popular theory, but it isn't the only popular one, the is another that until the 1990's remained trapped in eastern Europe, its called abiogenic petroleum origin theory.
The is a very good article here that points out many gaping flaws in the peak oil theory: http://www.petrolprices.com/peak-oil-theory.html
The abiogenic petroleum origin theory is pseudoscientific drivel. It has no credibility and no evidential support.
Yet it remains the number one theory in numerous countries (countries which have increased their oil production greatly in recent years), its just as credible as any other theory (as no definitive theory can be proven).
I almost agree with that, except I would chance the 'g' for a 'c' in egomaniacs. That would make the comment perfect.
Might I suggest you try getting your science from reputable scientific sources in future?
It is not just as credible as any other theory. It has failed where it makes predictions, has no credible mechanism, fails to explain the properties and distribution of oil reserves and has no evidence for it which is not better explained by the existing theories.
Meanwhile evidence for the conventional theories continue to accumulate.
Maybe eventually, it's still a long way off. I think electric cars will become mainstream before hydrogen fuel cell ones will.
Also, to produce hydrogen you need electricity. You might as well just use the electricity to power electric cars, rather than having all the extra complexity and logistical issues of having to transport and store hydrogen.
The other point is that to make it truely worthwhile you don't want the power stations to be running off fossil fuels....
I see, foreign scientists are not credible because they don't say what you want to hear?, got it.
which explains why country's that believe in it like Russia and the Ukraine have gone from nothing to become some of the most oil rich regions the are.
Unless you consider:
At the end of the day any argument for either theory can be countered by an argument form the other, however neither argument can be definitively proven, either theory could be wrong but we don't have the information to know at this point in time.
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