So, is the petrol running out and stuff?
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You make it sound like it is fuss for nothing... it is not "pretty nature areas", people live in these places. It is why people like living in the countryside, and it is perfectly expected and reasonable that fuss should be kicked up.
The council struggles enough with the upkeep of tarmac roads!
When have I expressed that? Don't apply your own tone to forum posts, it's dangerous and makes you jump to incorrect conclusions.
Every time someone suggests something you say it can be done. Like building in country side, or on roofs and everything else anyone's said, and I did say seem.
People do not have an inherent right to the countryside around them, they buy houses, they might buy them due to the surroundings but they do not buy the surroundings. As the population grows we need more houses and utilities.
As said far to many people hate change.
No, I suggest difficulties as to why it isn't as easy as "just use solar power."
People have an inherent right to what goes on in their community, in the same way that a street might protest to the demolition of a park or the planning permission of a dump at the end of their road. This applies to the countryside as well. Not to mention that the majority of land is privately owned, so it's up to the land owners.
I don't think anyone is saying just use solar.
People can complain about anything doesn't mean they will win.
There's also compulsory buying by government if needs be.
Oh and most farms would love wind turbines or other generation methods as it would make them millionaires.
Thankfully as years go on, legislation gets tighter and as such people will have to do far far more to over turn planning permission for renewable energy projects.
People can complain about anything doesn't mean they will win.
There's also compulsory buying by government if needs be.
Oh and most farms would love wind turbines or other generation methods as it would make them millionaires.
Thankfully as years go on, legislation gets tighter and as such people will have to do far far more to over turn planning permission for renewable energy projects.
EDIT: Doh - intended Skype message to wife becomes forum post. LOL
Yeah thought that was a bit risqué for OcUK... whipped cream you say?
There are a whole range of avenues that will researched and developed before compulsory buying is introduced, it would be a final option.
City people are blissfully unaware that the countryside isn't just empty space.
Yes sorry I confused everyone by demonstrating that there is no physical reason why the UK could not be totally 100% solar powered (just the considerable difficulties of energy storage as described above).
I suppose that Elixir's point is sound. IMO though, I would much rather have 3% of my local area (my family home at least, a hamlet in Worcestershire - I'm not a city person) devoted to solar panels and be practically guilt-free about the environment (for my domestic energy use anyway).
City people? What has it got to do with city people and how can you make such a sweeping generalisation. Seeing as google maps clearly shows the extent.
Final resort will come when we need to meet targets set by eu, which is already happening with appeals being turned down and planning permission getting easier to obtain.
Final resort will come when we need to meet targets set by eu, which is already happening with appeals being turned down and planning permission getting easier to obtain.
I lolled at this. What do you mean? Because they'd be producing power? Because the land would be bought off them?
In terms of property, most farmers already are millionaires.
Shows the extent of what? That yellow dot is big. Compulsory buying will not be introduced, certainly not for a large proportion (> 1%) of the UK for at least the next ten years.
Money gained by the lease agreements, many have already done well.
They aren't millionaires as they dint have access to the money tied up in the land. Although many could make so much money if they where willing to diversify but tahrs a separate topic.
As for energy storage, have a read of the site I linked to earlier which has a nice PDF of all the projects in Germany ATM. Still a little way of but coming along nicely.
Lease agreements will result in the farmers being paid millions of pounds? Wrong. It also removes production area, leading to increased food prices which are already rising due to the fear of low supply, so there's another downside.
As for diversification, into what? You seem very knowledgeable about this, where's your expertise from?
extent of how well built up England is, even in the country side.
Compulsory buying ah lens a lot, how about the new generation of nuclear power plants.
That yellow dot is small and is far to big anyway. As we don't need 100%. as we have other methods. Like the new off shore wind farms, the government has just auctioned off.
We have 10s of millions of homes in the uk, ripe with rooftops and solar panels are now finically viable and getting more so every year.
All new buildings have to have at least one renewable energy source. Most people are opting for air heat exchange pumps. So that's a reduce in power needed. Iirc 1kw in gets 4kw of energy out.
Scottish renewable electrical is now 25% and uk as a whole is 8.6% renewables.
More info here
http://www.bwea.com/pdf/RUK_Annual_Review_2011.pdf
Self reading.
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I won't bother discussing the energy problem any further as we are getting closer and closer to both arguing the point that several renewable energy resources need to be implemented and many are barely viable as things stand.
You are entirely wrong about farmers being able to make "so much money if willing to diversify" though. Some farms have spotted a gap in their community and done well by filling it, a lot of this off the back of foot and mouth compensation payments, but to suggest this can be applied to all farms is wrong.
You are entirely wrong about farmers being able to make "so much money if willing to diversify" though. Some farms have spotted a gap in their community and done well by filling it, a lot of this off the back of foot and mouth compensation payments, but to suggest this can be applied to all farms is wrong.
?? Care to back that up with anything. As that is just totally wrong. Read some of the stuff I've posted.
People also assume energy usage is just going to keep going up and up. Thins isn't the case. Germany is planning a massive 50% below 2008 levels by 2050.
Things like heat exchange systems can save huge amounts of energy.
We've already had mass change over to energy efficient lightbulbs.
Energy efficiency of electrical cars is huge compare to petrol.
Houses are being made which need minimal heating if any and again standards are increasing yearly.
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Wave power, tidal power, solar power, wind power etc. They all require large investment from a government trying to massively reduce costs and are certainly in their infancy as far as efficiency goes. If the technology will advance massively in the next 10-15 years, investing now would be unwise.
Consider "barely" in both the power production/storage and timescale senses. Renewable technologies are largely new and untested.
They don't need to massively improve. They just started phase two of, off p-shore wind power.
Solar pv is purchased by private investors/people as it makes finical sense and will massively increase as the new solar cells go into mass production.
All the evidence and plans, go against what you have just said as well as what we have already done, in a fairly short time period.
Investment now would be unwise? How do you figure that.
Not only are there huge EU fines, the price of oil and energy massively impacts the economy as it's used for everything.
Solar pv is purchased by private investors/people as it makes finical sense and will massively increase as the new solar cells go into mass production.
All the evidence and plans, go against what you have just said as well as what we have already done, in a fairly short time period.
Investment now would be unwise? How do you figure that.
Not only are there huge EU fines, the price of oil and energy massively impacts the economy as it's used for everything.
It also massively drives the economy when you consider how many of our top companies are in oil & gas.
Perhaps when tariffs in the UK change or better offers are given to private investors it will go further, and yes that might be right on our doorstep, but my father has been approached recently by both wind and solar power companies, both options were not a viable option for the business.
P.S. Please tell me how farmers should diversify to become rich, I need to pass it on so I can be the favourite son.